1.21f is brilliant!

[Hagbart]

It's very good. If you are in doubt, patch to 1.21f.
The game seems to be very near as good as it can get now.

Now it's time to improve the map/scenario-editor so it's possible to make your own map/scenarios.
(!minimap!!! )

[asleepathewheel]

I refuse to upgrade as long as there is no minimap

[Non Flammable]

My sarcasm detector is currently reading abnormal patterns, captain.

[Saint Marcus]

21f is great for sure. I hugely lowered AI tech trading, and the game suddenly becomes so much more interesting. (to balance things a bit, I did give them some extra production).

[MyOlde]

Saint Marcus, do you mind telling me how exactly (step by step) you lowered the tech trading? I've now used the editor exactly once -- today, to reduce corruption to 0.

Appreciate any help you can give.

[Grrr]

The corruption and AI tech trade modifiers make the game playable.

[Dom Pedro II]

I dunno, every game I've played so far on 1.21 has been almost completely unwinnable.

In every game, the AI starts out on good terrain while I get miles of jungles (even on Arid, cold maps) and the AI jumps off to this absolutely huge tech and city lead and I'm beaten before the ADs roll around. It's absurd.

[Shadowlord]

I just started a new game with 21 and wound up near miles of jungle too.

But I haven't lost, not by a long shot. I've got only half as many cities as the biggest AI, but I have double the culture of any AI. :P

And I had far fewer cities, but the AI's cities love to revolt and join my nation...

[Grrr]

Just one point, to solve this problem, choose to be the second player, (after barbarians). I think this will solve a lot of problems. I always had the same in CtP with 32 players.

[Fitz]

DPII, are you sure you installed the patch correctly and aren't still using 1.17? I hate to ask such an insulting question, but yer fast tech AI sounds like the old version to me.

*Fitz loves the sound of the new patch and leaves work early to go download, install and start a new game*

See y'all on Monday to give some feedback.

[Dom Pedro II]

Well, its not tech trading thats the trouble this time. Its the AI's production factor thats more of the problem. They were producing Settlers were produced probably about double the speed of mine, and wonders were being produced much faster than what I could do, and like I said before, by 500 BC the Babs built the Great Library! I never had that happen before.

By the way... whats an appropriate AItoAI tech trade rate... for the Regent level the default was 130. Was that 1.17f standard?

[Grrr]

I'm not sure, I never bothered with 1.17f. Ask Mike Brietzkreuntz. He's on these forums somewhere.

[Coracle]

Re: 1.21f is brilliant!

Originally posted by Hagbart
It's very good. If you are in doubt, patch to 1.21f.
The game seems to be very near as good as it can get now. . .

Yeah, surrrre.

ROFLOL.

[Cyclotron]

Coracle, your constructive addition to this conversation is refreshing.

[Hywel Dda]

It's fantastic. Just as the game was finally grinding to a halt for me, along comes a patch which changes, er, virtually nothing.

Don't get me wrong, the tweaks and the editor patches are all fine. But we need something a bit more radical now, to make this game pick up again.