modifying the Nations

[lorddread]

Is there anyway to modifying the computer nations (Roman, Persians, etc) to make them more historically accurate?

With the game the way it is:
1. Ghandi is a liar.

2. In every game where they appear, the Babylonians invade my country, no matter how far away they are, and when you ask them to leave they declare war.

3. The Persians seem about right. They are staunch defenders of their territory, but it is impossible to make peace with them once you are in a war.

4. The French military is a wuss. In 4 wars I have seen them in, they never have taken a city.

5. England is supposed to a commerce nation, but it is very difficult to get them to accept any negotiations.

There are problems with the others, but you get the drift.

KATN

[scooter mk2]

Well, um, THe French military really hasn't had much luck in the past 200 years of winning wars...They were kicked out of Vietnam, lost WW2, lost to the British in various wars in North America (mainly Canada). Napolean lost too, need I continue?
The French Military in Civ3 reflects their luck over the past 200 years and maybe even further back.

[Spec]

Well, there's a couple of things you can do but never expect the AI to play like the real thing. What you can do is to go in the editor and play with the agression level for each civ. You can also change their "shuned" and "favorite" government and their special abilities. I usualy give 4 out 6 ability to each civ and I also make that communism is not pop rush but buying shields. It makes the game more fun. You can also change the UU' values for everyciv so that that civ will play differently depending on the cost for the quality of the UU. Last game I reduce the production of the hoplite, rider and legionair by 1 shield. I had the Babs. Let me tell you, I never saw the chineese with so many Cavalries. He had upgraded all his riders he made cuz of the cheap cost. Same thing with greece, a LOT of defense just like it was in real life.

Spec.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by scooter mk2
Well, um, THe French military really hasn't had much luck in the past 200 years of winning wars...They were kicked out of Vietnam, lost WW2, lost to the British in various wars in North America (mainly Canada). Napolean lost too, need I continue?
The French Military in Civ3 reflects their luck over the past 200 years and maybe even further back.

Well, you must give Napoleon credit. he did invade much of Europe before being beaten.. and then he tried again...

But, otherwise, i must agree. the french aren't noted as being a historically magnificant military nation...

Sure, they kinda won the hundred years war... but, they only regained french cities even then... no new ground.

anywhoo... Vive La France defendu par les autre pays!

[notyoueither]

But they look great in pink. It's all in the uniforms for some people.

[Kizami]

NA...Light blue all the way

[Akka]

"But, otherwise, i must agree. the french aren't noted as being a historically magnificant military nation..."

Mmh, I feel the need to correct some people here, and recall some history...

Backward from now :
- Disregarding the Gulf War, as it was mainly a US military effort ; would be a victory if counted.
- Defeat in Indochine (Viet-nam)
- Defeat in WW2
- Victory in WW1
- A very close defeat in 1870 against Germany.
- Victory during the war for Italy independance against Austria.
- Victory in the Crimean War.
- Defeat against the 8th Coalition* (Napoleon's return)
- Defeat against the 7th Coalition*
- Victory against the 6th Coalition*
- Victory against the 5th Coalition*
- Victory against the 4th Coalition*
- Victory against the 3th Coalition*
- Victory against the 2th Coalition*
- Victory against the 1th Coalition*

* Revolution's and Empire's Wars, in which each time France was nearly alone against a big part of Europe.
Of course, I disregarded all the very small wars, or wars against outclassed opponent when it ended in victory (colonial wars, ie).

Just wanting to remind some history

[nato]

I just want to agree with what Akka is saying. The French have a long history of military accomplishment.

They have had hard times recently for a relatively short time, but for a longer time before that they did very good.

However in game terms I can see why the French might be weak militarily. The civs in the game kind of have roles. For instance, there are "good guy" civs, like India and Americans (as in nice peaceful) and "bad guy" civs, like Zulus and Germans (as in aggressive).

I think the French were meant to be Civ3's super culture civ. To that end they have the lowest aggressiveness possible and are probably meant to develop a high culture score peacefully.

This makes sense, since France is kind of synamous to high culture (or at least they want us to think so!).

Making them the culture civ downplays the strong military/nationalistic side of France, but makes sense in game terms: assigning roles to civs.

As to the original post, I agree with 1 and 5; I haven't really experienced 2, 3 or 4 (France was very tough in one of my games).

[PapaLenin]

By saying that France lost the war in the end under Napoleon you might as well say that Germany military sucks cause it lost WWII. And we all know that Germany proved itself as one of the greatest military might in the world!

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Yeah, but ...

they better shouldn't try to prove that again !

AJ

[jinif]

The French are wussies

Calling the perfomance of the French army in WWI is a joke, if it wasn't for the Russians, English, and later Americans helping, the French would have been dead pretty quick. the French performance in WWII is something they should all be ashamed of, how long did it take? two weeks!, not to mention that they didn't even try to attack Germany while the krauts were taking Poland, or did they stand by their allies, the Czechs, when the Germans took the Sudetenland. The French haven't had a decent performance in a war since Napoleon (and he isn't even from real France, he was from Corsica). Anything before that isn't really a "French war", just squabels between different kings. However, in more modern warfare, when the whole population needs to be mobilized and help the war effort, the frech have shown their true color: YELLOW!

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Originally posted by jinif
...
the French performance in WWII is something they should all be ashamed of, how long did it take? two weeks!
...

So tell me, how 'ashamed' should I be?

AJ

PS: How many times did you

get mobilized and help the war effort

?

[nato]

Anything before that isn't really a "French war", just squabels between different kings.

I think you can count the monarchy as "France" ... it did take a while for them to get consolidated, but I think it is fair to call that France.

They did have a good history for centuries, up until the Germans got so tough. If their commander during the Franco-Prussian War hadn't been comically incompetant, that one might have gone better. Certainly in World War I they paid the blood price, a huge one, and didn't crack ... some mutiny problems, but they didn't break.

WWII could have been better, yes ... but I think they deserve respect for WWI at least ...

I think the French are reasonably tough. They have always been very very determined to be a strong force militarily, even when they couldn't really afford it.

[Akka]

Re: The French are wussies

Originally posted by jinif
Calling the perfomance of the French army in WWI is a joke, if it wasn't for the Russians, English, and later Americans helping, the French would have been dead pretty quick. the French performance in WWII is something they should all be ashamed of, how long did it take? two weeks!, not to mention that they didn't even try to attack Germany while the krauts were taking Poland, or did they stand by their allies, the Czechs, when the Germans took the Sudetenland. The French haven't had a decent performance in a war since Napoleon (and he isn't even from real France, he was from Corsica). Anything before that isn't really a "French war", just squabels between different kings. However, in more modern warfare, when the whole population needs to be mobilized and help the war effort, the frech have shown their true color: YELLOW!

Ah well, I suppose that's just a sad example of the kind of people who feed the "Americans = ignorants" myth.
Well, I could try to argue against this trolling answer, but I think I probably just have to advise you to take a history book and start reading it. It will spare me much efforts, and bring you the warm feeling of discovering something new by yourself.

[danimal]

French?

The french are spineless cretins who got exactly what they deserved in both world wars...Imagine the Magineaux line...what a stupid strategy to protect themselves from the Nazis. Soldiers stopped marching into cannon and machine gun fire after ww1..why did the morons from france think it would be different?

The french are merde....and cowards.

I think Firaxis did a brilliant job placing them in pink to match their tutus and cowardice.

aurevior monsieur buttwipe