Human Player vs THE WORLD!!!

[ACooper]

Re: Human Player vs THE WORLD!!!

Originally posted by Maxis Dugan
Heres an idea for the next patch. Someone figure out how to make the AI's fight each other! Is it just me or doe's it take a lot of the fun out of the game to be dogpiled on by all the AI's just because you screwed over ONE of them?!? OR , one of them threatens you , you tell them to piss off , a declaration of war is made THEN everybody dogpiles on you!!! Is this supposed to be fun Sid? Somebody needs to kick Sid in the buttocks repeatedly until he fixes this problem. Until then , I'll go back to playing Test of Time or Alpha Centauri.

1. This little guy needs to be banned ->

2. (More to the point) In my last game I played w/ 14 Civs on a huge map. I did not get into a war until 1840. At that time the 13 other Civs had beaten each other down to 4. This happens most of the time.

3. Suggestion - play something else. Maybe you're not big enough to play this game.

[The Rook]

Cooper shut the hell up. I've read two threads today and you are on both of them telling people to play another game if they have complaints about this one. You want to argue your point that's one thing, but people have right to voice their opinions.

As far as the Civs all going to war with you. They all war with each other it seems just fine in my games, but what I don't like is when a Civ that is friendly to you can be bought off so easily. Are you trying to tell me that if China paid Great Britian $100 Trillion, we'd see English marines coming on shore at Miami Beach?

War can be fun, but there are other victory conditions that people would like to pursue. When you have to be constantly defending yourself from unprovoked attacks by multiple nations, it makes those other VC's harder to obtain.

[Willem]

In my current game, I'm in the very south of a continent, the Iroquois are a bit to the north of me, and then there's the Japanese and the Egyptians directly to the North and Northwest of them, respectively. Well after some peaceful dealings with the Iroquois for awhile, they suddenly declare war on me for no reason, our cultural borders weren't even near each other, nor had there been any sort of conflict.

Well right away I approached both of the other two civs on the continent, parting with only a minor tech each, and now all three of us are at war with Hiawatha, who will no doubt soon be nothing more than a memory. I'd hardly call that an example of the AI ganging up on me! So maybe you should expore your diplomacy options a little bit further!

[ACooper]

Originally posted by The Rook
Cooper shut the hell up. I've read two threads today and you are on both of them telling people to play another game if they have complaints about this one. You want to argue your point that's one thing, but people have right to voice their opinions.

1. Both of the posts in question did argue my point. In the case of this thread it is this: The game doesn't always gang up on the human player. In fact if you manage the diplomatic side well you can get by without a lot of wars against you.

2. I have never told any one to shut up. You say people have the right to their opinions. That includes me. My opinion is that if you really, really hate this game, then you should do something else. If you want to continue playing then go ahead. Thank you for your concern. Oh...and you can talk as much as you want.

[Maxis Dugan]

Little?
Seriously , now that I look at my initial post , it was fairly angry. Because I was angry! .......At the time. I got over it. As you can see by my later posts. I think I'm going to try your tactic with larger numbers of AI's though. Makes sense. I just hate the way they proliferate like cockroches , but that just means they will have to come into conflict sooner.

[The Rook]

Originally posted by ACooper



1. Both of the posts in question did argue my point. In the case of this thread it is this: The game doesn't always gang up on the human player. In fact if you manage the diplomatic side well you can get by without a lot of wars against you.

That's all that needed to be said. The game doesn't always gang up on the human. You dont need to suggesting that people who have complaints are not "big enough" to play this game.

Originally posted by ACooper
2. I have never told any one to shut up. You say people have the right to their opinions. That includes me. My opinion is that if you really, really hate this game, then you should do something else. If you want to continue playing then go ahead. Thank you for your concern. Oh...and you can talk as much as you want.

People say they hate this game, but what they actually hate is their shattered expectations. They know that there is still hope for Civ3 through the miracle of patches and user-mods. That is why they are here. They aren't just whining.

[Qilue]

Some other things to do.

The instant one civ declares war on you, dial up his/her neighbours and find out what they want for an alliance against this person (you can usually get it by offering some gold). Also, if the civ that is attacking has a MPP with another, sign an MPP with that one too and wait to be attacked. MPPs can forestall a declaration of war sometimes too but it's not something to rely on.

Then sit backand watch from afar. But use that time wisely and build your military. In every game, I always assume it's me vs all others and plan accordingly.

An example.
In a game where I was playing Egypt (others - Japan, America, Aztecs, China, Japan, Germany and France). Abe landed a small (8 units) expedionary force in my territory. At the time, Abe had a MPP with Tokugawa who was on the other side of a channel above me but on Abe's northern border. So, I signed a quick MPP and on the next turn, Abe declacred war and attacked at which point Japan joined in on my side. I then dialled up Mao (on Abe's southern border) and signed up an alliance against America. Earlier, I had been attacked by the Aztecs and had signed an alliance with France, China and Germany against them. Throughout the next 40 turns, I did little more that watch the various wars from a distance, defend my coastline and continue to build and improve my cities.

A helpful axiom was posted by someone on this forum but I can't remember who.

"Build your army before going to war."

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The above refers to my style of play which is Builder.

Second, Knowing how to defend is just as important as knowing how to attack.