Detailed thoughts and ideas on the UN (pretty long)

[Panag]

hi ,


maybe the game as a whole should be more complex , ...???

have a nice day

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Solver

I just think this would be simpler then the culture formula that solver proposed.

Might be just me, but I love complexity.

"Easy to learn, difficult to master."

That's always been what I look for in games today (and always). Make it easy to do things, but when you want to get your hands dirty and take more control over things to give yourself the advantage, you should be able to do so.

[Solver]

Yeah, not a bad phrase. But still, I love how compliciated Civ is - and not too easy to learn at all!

[HazieDaVampire]

What about ‘assist in conflict’, you think up the voting rules. Should a war be raging between two civs (UN, or non-UN, I don’t know!) you can vote to assist one of the civs. If the AI is any good its more likely to vote on war against the civ whose razed the most cities.

[Panag]

hi ,

yep , "assist" , they should work on that ;

you could send troops (give them away) to a nation , with or without signing anything , and be able to chose wheter or not you give the specific technology with it , ..........

that would rock

have a nice day

[Solver]

Yeah right, but again, it all has to be balanced somehow .

[Panag]

Originally posted by Solver
Yeah right, but again, it all has to be balanced somehow .

hi ,

now , that cant be the problem , ........if firaxis puts his hands to it , it shall work , ...

have a nice day

[Solver]

I don't think they viewed this thread.

[Panag]

hi ,


Solver , the pic ya use , maybe we should start to work like that guy , .....

no , they read the forums , when they have time !

have a nice day

[Solver]

Hehe, all so much like commenting on my avatar .

I know they read the forums, and one olf my hobbies is monitoring what exactly are they reading when they're on. Just kidding about them NOT reading >

[Solver]

Oops .

[Ijuin]

There are a lot of cool ideas here, but I would be in favor of something relatively simple that stood a chance of actually being implemented in the game. Here is my suggestion:

The United Nations Headquarters Great Wonder becomes available with the Nationalism advance (cost 600 shields). Once it is built, every other nation that has the Nationalism advance may build the U.N. Embassy Small Wonder (cost 200 shields), which grants membership. Building the Embassy will be a high priority for those civilizations eligable, so most nations will start to build theirs as soon as possible.

Advantages of owning U.N. Headquarters:

1.) The owner is Chairman of the U.N. Council until a new Chairman is elected (see below).

2.) The owner cannot be Suspended or Expelled from the U.N.

3.) The owner recieves five gold per turn membership dues from each other member. Dues trump all other expenses including maintaining a nation's armies, so they are paid unless a nation's total income is less than five gold per turn.

4.) Any nation declaring war on the owner is automatically Suspended.

Advantages of membership in the U.N.:

1.) Each member automatically gets communications and a trade connection with every other member regardless of whether there is a land/sea/air trade route connecting them--this connection is unbreakable except for suspended members.

2.) Members automatically share maps--the maps of all members are combined into a single U.N. map that is distributed to each member and updated every time a Council meeting is called. Suspended members do not receive or contribute to map updates.

3.) Each member automatically gets a free embassy with every other member if they do not already have them.

4.) Members automatically have a Mutual Passage Agreement with each other provided they are not at war with each other.

The U. N. Council:

The U.N. Council can be called at any time, by any member, but there must be at least three active members available. Suspended members are not counted as active. The same proposal with the same nations may not come before the Council more than once every ten turns (for example, if a vote on sanctions against England fails, it may not be voted on again for ten turns, but a vote for sanctions against another nation may be held the next turn). The Council may vote on ONE proposal each turn. All votes are by country except for Elect World Governor (diplomatic victory), and require a simple majority unless otherwise specified.

Advantages of holding the position of Chairman:

1.) The Chairman has the deciding vote any time there is a tie.

2.) The Chairman may veto any proposal

1.) Elect Chairman
A Chairman is elected from the incumbent plus the top two competing candidates as measured by the number of Seat votes (Seat votes equals population plus land area plus culture per turn as of the current turn). The election itself, however, is chosen on a one nation, one vote basis. In the event of a tie, the incumbent/former Chairman has the deciding vote. If the incument Chairman was dismissed because his nation was Suspended , then he cannot run in this election.

2.) Enact/Repeal Global Sanctions
All member nations must embargo a target nation (either a member or non-member). If the sanctions are against a member nation, then that nation may not vote on this decision.

3.) Declare/End World War
All member nations form an alliance against and declare war upon a target nation (either a member or a non-member). Individual member nations may enter into a separate peace agreement with the target nation, but those that do so will be suspended from the United Nations until the World War is ended either through a vote, through destruction of the targeted nation, or through all but one of the U.N. member nations entering into separate peace agreements. If the targeted nation is a member of the United Nations, then it shall not vote on this decision, and if World War is declared, it shall be suspended (see below) from the U.N. for the duration of the World War. Only one World War may be in effect at any time.

4.) Suspend Member/End Suspension
The targeted member nation is automatically Suspended for a period of 20 turns, or until the Suspension is revoked, whichever is sooner. Members who are Suspended other than through voting (i.e. because they failed to comply with an earlier U.N. decision) may also return to active participation through this proposal. The nation that holds the Chairman position may be Suspended, in which case a new Chairman is automatically elected.

Suspended nations may not vote on any Council decisions, nor are they allowed to make any proposals except to petition to end their Suspension. and they do not receive map updates, although they continue to pay their five gold per turn dues to the nation owning the U.N. Headquarters, and the automatic trade connections are maintained.

5.) Expel Member
A member nation loses its membership in the U.N. PERMANANTLY. ALL benefits and obligations of membership are ended for the targeted nation. This vote requires a 3/4 majority with at least four nations voting. The targeted nation may not vote on this decision. Expelled nations may not regain membership in the U.N.

6.) Nuclear Arms Reduction
All nations must reduce their total stockpiles of nuclear arms to the number proposed. For example, 5 would mean that each nation may have no more than 5 nuclear warheads stockpiled. Nations are given ten turns to comply, and then are Suspended automatically if they do not disband their warheads.

7.) Enact/Repeal Nuclear Nonproliferation
No member nation may construct nuclear weapons until the treaty is repealed, but may keep any stockpiled warheads. Completion of a new warhead results in automatic Suspension.

8.) Elect World Governor
At least half of all the nations in the world must be members of the U.N., and at least four nations must be sitting (not Suspended) in the election. Voting is according to Seat votes, and the candidates are the two nations that hold the most Seat votes. The candidates automatically vote for themselves, and a 2/3 majority must be had to win.

Atrocities:

The following Atrocities result in automatic Suspension for any member nation:

1.) Razing a city unless the city belongs to the target of a current World War.

2.) Use of Nuclear Weapons.

3.) Genocide (fully conquering any nation that is not the target of a current World War).

If Genocide is committed against a member nation, the conquering nation is automatically Expelled.

Finally, if, at any time, the city hosting the U.N. Headquarters is destroyed OR conquered, a new Headquarters is automatically created in the capital city of the current nation holding the Chairman position on the Council, and the Headquarters benefits go to that nation.


Comments?

[Solver]

A very good model based on what I originally though of! The point I disagree the most here probably has to be the punishment for declaring war on the UN owner, for it is, IMO, too much of an advantage to be an owner, then.

Otherwise, very fine!