Detailed thoughts and ideas on the UN (pretty long)

[The Thinker]

What if other UN members had to pay taxes to cover costs of any member who was in Anarchy ?

[Panag]

hi ,

the above ;
nice idea , of course , money made this way , would be under a lot of "corruption" , like in daily life , .............

hmmm , what about troops , ?

have a nice day

[Solver]

Wonder why is this thread still getting posts?

BTW now that an expansion looks like it's on its way, I can really hope to see a better UN model there.

[Panag]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Solver
Wonder why is this thread still getting posts?

what do you mean ?

hmmmm , expand , yeah , that would be nice , but i dont think this summer

have a nice day

[loleod]

It sounds like a great idea. Instead of the UN signing a peace treaty for me though , it should be greatly encouraged. If I fail to initiate peace after getting the peace request from the UN ( Give me 2 turns to end the war) then a few things may happen. If i refuse to sign peace and my enemy refuses then both of our reputations go down, and we may possibly have embargoes signed against us. If I want to declare peace and my enemy refuses ( After the UN interjects) then the UN will vote on wheter or not to help me. They can help me by giving me gold, giving me techs, giving me weapons , or giving me their alliance in the war. the same goes if Im the bad guy , they will make a final demand after the 2 turns at which point I have to end my conflict immediatly or face all the UN members.

This might sound crazy , but give it a chance. Did you ever think about having more then one "UN" . Lets say I am friendly with 7 of the worlds civs , and the 8 I dont like start a " UN " group. I should be able to take my friends and form a group. Kind of like NATO , or even The EU, or like the US was in its earliest days. The UN itself would be all countries combined , but I want to be able to discuss things with people I choose to talk to. Take the Arab summit for instance , they had their own meeting , and at that meeting they try to affect the policies of their fellow arab states.

I should also be able to ask for peace. Lets say IRL I am France , the Romans ( Italians) are at war with Germany. This doesnt help me much they both keep on stomping on my land with their damn troops! I dont want to start a war , but i dont want the AI on my land fighting a war. I would also find that both sides will be spending all their money on weapons , so when my wine trade comes up in 20 turns they cancel. I think it would be cool if I could coerce both of them to the peace table and try to mediate the peace treaty ( If I am desperate maybe I can toss in free wine for 5 years , and some money from my own stocks ).

They also need to fix diplomacy a little. I had a war with the germans and I guess I broke a ROP , I broke it 2 turns before the war I swear. Well it is something like 2000 years later and the greeks refuse to sign one with me citing I screwed the germans at one time. Well I destroyed the germans before I even met the greeks anyway , so I dont get why he keeps on saying that the germans told him all about me. On top of that it was 2000 years ago! Plus the AI just gets pissed off at me for no reason.

[Panag]

hi ,



well in all , the AI seems to reflect daily life , lol , no , for real think about it , ......

as for the rest , the wonders should do more , but , ahem , how ,
what is it going to cost , in developing it , what about the computers we as players use , what will we need , will it slow the game down , etc , ..................

so many Q's so little A's , and last but not least ;

can it be done ????, ............

have a nice day

[Solver]

Good ideas, but there's one important point... the UN shouldn't become all that there is to the game.

Loleod, did you read the original post?

[Panag]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Solver
Good ideas, but there's one important point... the UN shouldn't become all that there is to the game.

hmmm , but that is the topic , lol , ....

no , well , i think that the point is ; wonders should do more , ......

one should be able to chose this true the editor , enable this or that , for the un , or the intel agency or an other wonder

but , can it be done ??????

have a nice day

[Solver]

What I mean is that there should be others concerns but the UN...

[Panag]

okay , i agree , but still we should not forget the UN
and of course we should look at wonders , the others that is , like the intel agency

[loleod]

Originally posted by Solver
Good ideas, but there's one important point... the UN shouldn't become all that there is to the game.

Loleod, did you read the original post?

Yes I did , I just think that there are things I would do , but I cant. I feel constrained, there is almost no communication amongst the civs. I would love to be able to have more interaction with the AI. Sometimes I do some really nasty things to the AI like wipe out its entire country , I should be punished for that if the AI I did that to was a nice peaceloving civ. It shouldnt be the whole game , but it would surely add a new twist to the game if you had more diplomatic measures. If it does become to involved for war goers then maybe it should be able to be turned off at the start of the game.

[Panag]

hi ,

well maybe the fact that we cant "talk" with the AI , is a reflection of modern life , i mean think about it , most countries dont talk , lets face it , if we (as humans) would do that more often , the world would be a better place !!!

have a nice day

[wrylachlan]

I think votes should be one vote per civ. But culture should play into it when you want to go against the wish of the council. If you have a low culture and disobey the UN other civs attitude changes badly. But if you have a higher culture there is little or no ramifications of disobeying the council. Culture here is a measure of diplomatic savy.

I just think this would be simpler then the culture formula that solver proposed.

And to offset some of the unbalancing power of having the entire UN declare war on one country, if you are a member of the UN you no longer have the option of razing captured cities as this is unhumanitarian.

And one more thing about UN wars. They would have to have a stated goal that is not total destruction of the civ. Like "Go to war with the Romans to destroy their nuclear capability (capture their uranium source)" or "Go to war with Japan to destroy their war machine (2/3 of their units)". When the goal of the war is achieved the UN automatically negotiates a peace treaty.

Another option would be capturing a city for another civ. Say Germany takes over the French city of Lyon. As a UN member with France the US marches in and attacks the now german town of Lyons. When it captures it, you get the options, "Occupy Lyons" or "Turn Lyons over to its original owner, the French".

Also the UN should look down strongly on the destruction of another civ by military means. This should throw you right off the council.

The above four suggestions would make the UN a peace organization not another weapon to be exploited by the player.

But in order to encourage players to play peacefully and in cooperation with the UN you would have to make turns at peace worth more points in the score.

[Boris Godunov]

While I'm up for ANYTHING that makes the endgame more interesting (it is a SNOOZE Firaxis), I wouldn't want it to be dominated by UN politicking either. But these ideas sound pretty cool, and would certainly add depth.

I personally think they should introduce an endgame option of globalization wherein civs begin to merge and things become more nebulous than nationalistic.

[Solver]

I just think this would be simpler then the culture formula that solver proposed.

Might be just me, but I love complexity.

While I'm up for ANYTHING that makes the endgame more interesting (it is a SNOOZE Firaxis), I wouldn't want it to be dominated by UN politicking either. But these ideas sound pretty cool, and would certainly add depth.

You can disagree with the UN, but then face the consequences.