1.17f Bug Reports

[Ethelred]

They even asked me to remove my MW's when I attacked and I declared war. They wouldn't even have asked if I had a RoP.

They will do exactly that upon occasion. There is even a option to remind them they a have a ROP with you when they do that.

You may not have had a ROP with them but asking you to get out is not evidence of that.

Not sure why they do that. It may be they only try that bluff when they don't have units in your territory. They do bluff.

Also for it to be a sneak attack does not require that you have a ROP from what I understand. Any undeclared war is a sneak attack. If you had called up the Babs and canceled your peace treaty before attacking then it wouldn't have been a sneak attack I suspect.

[Capt Dizle]

No matter what the problem Ethel will apologize for it.

If the CD spontaneously flew out of the drive and beheaded your mother-in-law, Ethel would blame your configuration and then tell you your mother-in-law had it coming.

And tell you what a bargin you got at $69.99 and note from the designer.

[Ethelred]

There was nothing to aplogize for Jimmy.

I didn't make the game.

And he didn't find a bug.

If you will look up a bit in the list you will see that I posted a bug. Not one I ran into myself.

If the CD spontaneously flew out of the drive and beheaded your mother-in-law, Ethel would blame your configuration and then tell you your mother-in-law had it coming.

Shes a mother-in-law of course she had it coming. She made a mess by losing her head when his CD player malfunctioned. Its all her fault it malfunctioned. She nagged it to death.

And tell you what a bargin you got at $69.99 and note from the designer.

I will not apoligize for people that are dumb enough to buy a special edition. Its nothing but evolution in action. I suppose some people were happy with the tin though. Nothing else there was worth anything extra.

Where you one of those Jimmy? Well try to remember that was a bad idea. So is using liquid oxygen for a fire starter.

I have helped people get their machine working right Jimmy. What have you done to help others?

[Spock]

Disappearing act... I was playing as Persia(of course) on a standard map(islands...of course), Germany had declared war on me because I wouldn't give in to their "give us contact with the Americans" demand(by the by...America demanded the same thing on that SAME turn and also declared war on me....but thats a whole thread unto itself). Anywho...late in my tussle with Germany he manages to land two archers onto my island(I had been picking off his galleys with my frigate fleet). These afore mentioned archers land in a place where my immortals are a couple turns from them...so they proceed to destroy some of my roads, as soon as they do...they "blink" out into nothingness.
At first I wasn't sure what I had seen....so I let them make for my shores again....same thing...destroyed a road, then poof...gone.
Anyone else have this happen???

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Also for it to be a sneak attack does not require that you have a ROP from what I understand. Any undeclared war is a sneak attack. If you had called up the Babs and canceled your peace treaty before attacking then it wouldn't have been a sneak attack I suspect.

When they ask me to leave and I hit "That's it, prepare for WAR", ain't this war declaration enough?

By the way Ethelred, that's a bug reporting thread here. People seriously try improve the game by reporting flaws so Firaxis can iron them out. All I did was reporting a suspected bug, without any emotion, blaming or ranting. While you often amuse me with your replies, I think here you should not take a bug report as a "whine".

EDIT: By the way, just to clarify, it IS a matter of a RoP. I didn't mention it, but it's a part the messages I receive. IIRC it is "We can't trust you for a RoP agreement, because you sneak attacked the Babylonians while you had such an agreement with them" or alike.

[dunk]

Question for the admins...

Can you delete all the flames in this thread?



Even though this post isn't a flame, delete it too.

[Ethelred]

When they ask me to leave and I hit "That's it, prepare for WAR", ain't this war declaration enough?

Its possible but think of it the other way around for a moment. You were in their territory. You didn't drop the peace agreament first. It might be that the other way around is OK but this isn't. That is you can tell them to get out of your territory without repurcussions. The choice on that one is get out or declare war. You chose war while you were allready in their territory.

I think here you should not take a bug report as a "whine".

I didn't.

I was trying to help in understanding what was happening.

IIRC it is "We can't trust you for a RoP agreement, because you sneak attacked the Babylonians while you had such an agreement with them" or alike.

You didn't say it that way the first time. If its claiming you had a ROP and you didn't then of course its a bug. However if it didn't mention a ROP with your victim then it probably isn't a bug.

[Tormund]

Resource/Luxury Trading Bug?!?

I have found it possible in two different games to trade resources between unconnected civilizations.

Example:
I (the Babylonians) had iron to trade and the Chinese had horses and silks to trade. The trade progressed as normal and then come next turn i lost access to the horses and silks because there was no trade route (we were unconnected civilizations). It was possible to exploit this bug to gain tech advances, money, etc. Of course if I was an honourable opponent I would not have exploited this bug. NB: The option did not occur 'every' time I was trading with the Chinese.

Has anyone else noticed a similar problem?

[notyoueither]

Yup. has to do with trade networks and how war or peace can effect valid routes.

You can use roads through a neutral civ to trade. Then that neutral goes to war with you or your trading partner. Route gone. Trade negated.

It can be taken advantage of. It is not really an exploit.

[Tormund]

Yup. has to do with trade networks and how war or peace can effect valid routes.

You can use roads through a neutral civ to trade. Then that neutral goes to war with you or your trading partner. Route gone. Trade negated.

It can be taken advantage of. It is not really an exploit.

If it was this feature that you speak of, well then I wouldn't be able to trade my iron resource with the Chinese in the same round that the original agreement broke down. However, I was able to trade my iron resource with them a number of turns in a row. Which is what led me to believe BUG, rather than FEATURE!

[Shadowlord]

Originally posted by Speed Bump


There is no economy in anarchy. You can neither gain nor lose money until you choose a new government.

Speedy

All due respect to the guy from Firaxis, you do gain money during Anarchy from interest on the gold in your treasury (What's it called, Wall Street? Anyways.)

I was gaining 50 gold per turn during anarchy in my switch from Democracy to Communism.

[Shadowlord]

Assuming you have the required small wonder, of course. (The one you can build after you have 5+ banks.. I think. I have to reboot and then close everything open on my comp in order to have enough memory to play Civ III 1.17f (otherwise all units appear the same color and borders are gray.), so I'm not really going to check Civ to see, and my manual appears to be inaccurate in respect to information on a few of the small wonders.)

That's really the only problem I've encountered, and it's obviously due to my only having 64 MB of ram.

(I haven't had any sound glitches, but I have sound disabled because ATM my computer currently does not know it has a sound card. It seems it likes to forget the sound card exists for 3-4 months at a time, and then remember it exists for another 3-4 months at a time, before forgetting again... I'd take it in to be fixed, but I already did that once when it forgot the keyboard existed, too. Anyhow. Better to have a computer and no sound than no computer and no sound for 2+ weeks only to have sound vanish again in another few months.)

[Barry Caudill]

Originally posted by Shadowlord


All due respect to the guy from Firaxis, you do gain money during Anarchy from interest on the gold in your treasury (What's it called, Wall Street? Anyways.)

I was gaining 50 gold per turn during anarchy in my switch from Democracy to Communism.

I was referring only to your civs internal economy, which was what the original question was about. Sorry if I created any confusion.

Speedy

[Cluk]

Ok, here's one:

Go to Espionage/Aztecs/Steal Tech/Carefully. Pick Radio. The advisor asks what you want to research now (and incorrectly says you just got flight from the Chinese)- pick "big picture". You are now trapped in the sci advisor screen, where it wants you to pick a tech to steal, but you've learned all of their techs - you are trapped. Please fix this little glitch (while you're making espionage viable, I hope.)

[The Mad Monk]

The screen always seems to say I've just gotten flight from the Chinese (in espionage, anyway). Why is that?