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**yin26** · February 7, 2002, 09:41

to be judged on the merit of their posts

Precisely. Now you're getting it.

**MarkG** · February 7, 2002, 09:47

Originally posted by yin26
But damn straight when one of those guys comes in here after months of giving no feedback on important questions just to give some smart a** comment: It's open season.

so... what's your smart-a**-comments/real-arguments ratio the last months?

**yin26** · February 7, 2002, 09:49

Well, I try to keep up with our fearless leader, of course, but he moves threads too much or bans people when he gets exasperated, so it's kind of tough to pull even.

**MarkG** · February 7, 2002, 09:54

Originally posted by yin26
Well, I try to keep up with our fearless leader

who, however, also does some other constructive stuff around this site as well....

of course, but he moves threads too much or bans people when he gets exasperated

i'm terribly sorry for trying to maintain the forums on-topic and flame-free

**yin26** · February 7, 2002, 09:57

C'mon...Markos. If you're gonna troll, don't go and turn soft on me!

**MarkG** · February 7, 2002, 10:05

Originally posted by yin26
C'mon...Markos. If you're gonna troll, don't go and turn soft on me!

ever thought that i might not be trolling?

**yin26** · February 7, 2002, 10:08

Stop it! Oh, Lord, you're killing me! This is fantastic!!!

**MarkG** · February 7, 2002, 10:14

Originally posted by yin26

Stop it! Oh, Lord, you're killing me! This is fantastic!!!

you know, if you're going to stay until the gold edition, you need to start doing something constructive(instead of DEstructive)....

and in the end you've practically destroyed your reputation(instead of civ3's sales numbers). soon we wont be saying "whiner" but "yiner"

**Zealot** · February 7, 2002, 10:15

Originally posted by MarkG
ever thought that i might not be trolling?

and in the end you've practically destroyed your reputation(instead of civ3's sales numbers). soon we wont be saying "whiner" but "yiner"

Stop it! Stop it!

**ACooper** · February 7, 2002, 10:21

Originally posted by MarkG
soon we wont be saying "whiner" but "yiner"

**Grumbold** · February 7, 2002, 11:37

Its funny, but one of the things I enjoyed most about MOO was the turn based tactical combat. You could do some amazing things with the right fleet composition kitted out with nice toys like repulsion fields.

MOO2 took away some of that amusement but introduced others. MOO 3 is going real-time combat. In my own personal opinion that is takig a big chunk of what is fun about the game out of the hands of the player. Isuing fleet tactics isn't the same thing. I know the initial reviews are bound to rave about the game so what will count are the comments on the web a fortnight later. Unfortunately the ghastly forum software they have makes it impossible to browse the posts in comfort. At least here at Apolytone we can track down the interesting threads with ease

**Willem** · February 7, 2002, 12:55

Originally posted by Cossack

There are two conclusions here, the first is that either FIRAXIS management misjudged the time it would take to completely program and fully test CIV 3, and thus produced a flawed final product or secondly, the contract was too lucrative to resist even with the time constraints. This is the question people should be asking, although for liability reasons Firaxis will never answer it they know themselves who is responsible and that person is probably towards the top.

But there's a third conclusion that you haven't considered. Firaxis lost a great deal of time when Brian Reynolds walked out, and they had to bring in a new team in order to finish the job. Losing some of your key people midstream is bound to screw up anyone's deadline.

**Immortal Wombat** · February 7, 2002, 14:12

Does anyone else remember Markos' unending support of CtP2 when it was released, defending Activision at every turn?

And then as soon as the programmers stopped posting, Activision officially abandoned the game, and said there would be no more patches, then Markos joined the ever-growing ranks of "CtP2-sucks" groupies.

Give it a few months (or years, depending on how long Firaxis draws this out) and Markos will come round.

**Tarquelne** · February 7, 2002, 14:20

Cossack:

I don't care what your main point was, you also made an overgenerous generalization about what "we all" believe.

The main point of this message is simply pointing that out. We all hate you.

"I didn't say the game was not worth playing, but obviously you are one of those 'sloppy' civ readers..."

Hmm... the odd thing is that I didn't say you thought the game wasn't worth playing either. How strange... _I'm_ the one who used the phrase "thoughtlessly condemn", but at that point I was talking about all those who abuse the phrase "we all" - and I do think that the phrase "thoughtlessly condmen" applies to most of them. Not _necessarily_ you.

See? "We all hate you." is still wrong, isn't it? Or do we all simply ignore things if they don't make an essential contribution to the main point of the post? Is that an rule of English I'm not aware of? I know this isn't the first time I've been criticized for actually paying attention to everything someone writes. Do you feel I'm picking on you for not commenting on your main argument?

Anyway, I think we all know that I was right.

**notyoueither** · February 7, 2002, 14:43

Yin. I've seen you make unprovoked attacks on Dan and/or Jeff.

Do I need to quote threads?

Salve

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