Synopsis of 21 dec chat?

[Trifna]

Originally posted by David Murray

1. Fundamentalism government, plant nuclear weapon and plant disease espionage missions were all removed at the last moment by executive order because of the September 11 attacks

AHHHHH!!!! I was there for the first part, but didn't noticed this with the 11 september answer (curious, I really should have...)

[CapTVK]

A bit casual I have to say with some informative tidbits here and there. Glad to see some work is still going on improving Civ3.

What's worrysome is the "it's out of our hands"-tone that seems to seep through the entire chat.

[lockstep]

My favourite quote from Firaxis is 'The latest version we have kills despot pop rushing... '.

I wonder how it was killed? Perhaps simply by making pop-rushed shields subject to corruption?

[barefootbadass]

Originally posted by lockstep
My favourite quote from Firaxis is 'The latest version we have kills despot pop rushing... '.

I wonder how it was killed? Perhaps simply by making pop-rushed shields subject to corruption?

Maybe the unhappiness lasts longer? It's not unbearable anyway, the benefits far outweigh the costs, and if you want to you can go to the trouble you can make temporary cities for pop rushing units while your permanent cities develop normally.

[TechWins]

I like the fact (I'll go ahead and believe Jeff ) that Soren visits the Strat forum to find how people can exploit the AI, then he goes to try to fix these exploits. However, I don't like the undertone Firaxis has in believing some of the problems a lot of us have with the game (i.e. corruption, late game tedium) are just our problems and are not legit problems with Civ3. Other than that it sounds like Firaxis is hard at work (except for the holidays) trying to bust out a great second patch.

[David Murray]

I think that the interpretation of Jeff's answer re: fundamentalism was my fault.

I think he was referring to my question about planting nukes and planting diseases being removed at the last minute. Although it was definitely a Jeff B call on removing fundamentalism. And also a Jeff B call on removing the ability to trade units.

Kind of looks like Jeff B made a couple of bad calls.

Oh yeah, and I hope they don't squelch population rushing too hard. That would affect communism as well. Don't see any reason why that element of the game (historically accurate) should be ironed out....

[Jodo Kast]

TechWins:

It is your fault. You should change the BIC file to set your settings re: corruption, units, etc.

Just do it and enjoy the game! The hard part is starting over with a new game.....

[Libertarian]

Moronic. Sub-moronic.

How do you turn off the Domestic Nag with the BIC file? How do you fix the Air Recon bug with the BIC file? How do you slow down the unreadable messages about pollution, starvation, and growth with the BIC file? How do you force the software to activate the next logical unit with the BIC file? How do you fix the sloggy movement interface with the BIC file? How do you present a decent victory reward, beyond a stupid message box, with the BIC file?

BIC file my ass.

[Ozymandous]

Well...

I see you are still up to your old tricks Lib...

To get the last comment back on track and away from the open flames you once again spew, I will say that the editor is there for people to change aspects of the game the way they want.

While the editor isn't complete yet and won't allow the user to change the length of time for pop up messages, etc, you can still do the following things with the editor.

1) You can ADD governments.

2) You can modify unit strengths, hitpoints, defense, etc.

3) You can CHANGE corruption as you see fit. If you don't like corruption as it is now then CHANGE IT TO SUIT YOU. Just because you don't like corruption as it is doesn't mean others are similar to you. I like corruption as it is now and so do other folks, get used to it.

Some things never change. I hope in the 3+ weeks since you last posted your "message" you have grown a little more tolerance and perspective.

[Libertarian]

You failed to answer even a single question. And your points are irrelevant.

Governments are so dumbed down that they are like real governments these days: not a dime's worth of difference among them. Changing unit strengths doesn't rescue the game's overall tedium. And changing corruption is an exercize in futility.

Minimal my ass.

But you're right. Some things never change. You still hurl insults at me. And you still don't spell your username right.

[Willem]

Originally posted by barefootbadass
I don't think having fundamentalism in the game would have been disrespectful to those who died. It's part of the game in the last incarnation and removing it took a lot out of it. Its the single biggest thing missing that I expected to be in the game and I find it ridiculous that it is not.

I don't blame firaxis, it was a decision that was hastily made because infogrames wanted them to get it out unfinished so they could hit the die hard fans with a charge for the game a second time when MP comes out. Hopefully it will be put back in by then.

Until then we'll have to mod some kind of government in its place.

All they had to do was change the name to Military Dictatorship, or some such thing, and no one would have batted an eye. And there really isn't much difference between the two in real life. I can understand dropping the sabotage thing, but losing the government was a bit of an over-reaction IMO.