Synopsis of 21 dec chat?

[Libertarian]

Maybe you could do a tweak in the editor.

[David Murray]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
It was a timing thing. Putting a game out so soon where you could almost replay that event would be a very bad idea, and backlash could very well have killed most of civs market share.

Put the same thing in now, not many people would blink an eye.


But anyway, we can add our own types of governments.

Can you tell me how, using the editor, to recreate the old Fundamentalism attributes of all science output being reduced by half and all unhappiness being eliminated? Or even, how to make all religious cultural improvements have extra affect under fundamentalism? I don't even know how to create a fundamentalist unit and tie it to a particular government type (although I'm sure that's the bit that is possible). The editor doesn't have such flexibility. All we can do with the editor is create different flavours of government that aren't really all that different. Plus there's all the effort of having to playtest, writing great library entries (if you can be bothered), etc.

I'd like Firaxis to make the editor much more flexible for adding new units and governments.

Also, there is no way, using the editor in its current shape, to add new espionage missions. I would like to be able to plant nukes and plant disease again (I used those tactics a lot in Civ2).

Maybe once these elements of civilization building can be added back in, I will finally be able to be at peace with my copy of Civ3....

[CapTVK]

Well sunday is long gone in Australia and New Zealand and Europe only has a few hours left. The clock is ticking....tick...tick...tick. Better get a move on MarkG!


That reply about removing fundamentalism seems like an attempt at corporate revisionism. I recall fundy being removed from the game because it was too unbalancing in the game.
Still, in Civ2 I wouldn't call it unbalanced at all, it was the only government form that could keep up with demo and WLTPD in the endgame. Plus this government form offered some good possibilities for Civ2 scenariomakers. Then again, the whole system was revised in Civ3 so that point was probably moot.


But why did they say ('state') that fundy was removed after september? Was fundy still in at the time or was it a simple corporate public PR attempt to score some points?

Civ2 is also property of Infogrames and has fundamentalism as a government form. It's still on sale in many stores as a budget title. Why wasn't that pulled from the shelves? Sorry Infogrames, but no copouts!

-If fundy was indeed removed at the last moment it should be released or activated in a patch-

[TechWins]

I, too, read somewhere before that Fundy was going to be taken out, and this was way before Sept. 11, possibly sometime in April or May.

Jeff may be saying that the attacks of Sept 11 was the real reason for Fundy being left out, that way they have an excuse for leaving Fundy out.

[Zanzin]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
It was a timing thing. Putting a game out so soon where you could almost replay that event would be a very bad idea, and backlash could very well have killed most of civs market share.

Exactly. Civ3 would have faced the same kind of nagativity that MS Flight Simulator did when word got around that you could recreate exactly what the terrorists did by flying a plane into a building etc etc.

[David Murray]

Exactly. Civ3 would have faced the same kind of nagativity that MS Flight Simulator did when word got around that you could recreate exactly what the terrorists did by flying a plane into a building etc etc.

Yeah, terrible, isn't it?

I mean, it's abhorrent that in a flight sim it's possible to crash into buildings isn't it? I bet there will be someone who plays the game and signs up for membership of Al-Qaida after seeing how easy it is to fly into buildings! Microsoft should be ashamed.

[Immortal Wombat]

Its monday in Greece, lets hope Dan is posting the transcript...

23:50 GMT

[Skanky Burns]

Monday 10pm in Australia... still no log...
Was the chat that long???

RE: Adding Fundy

Ill admit that adding Fundy as per Civ2's would be near impossible with the current editor. But we can still add a form of the Fundy gov.
The editor should be much improved by the next patch. Maybe they mentioned something about it in the chat....
Can anyone chec... oh yeah....

[Libertarian]

With respect to the editor, there were clues that they've focused on it. Coy remarks like, "you just wait!" and such.

[MarkG]

it's christmas, show some mercy... and some patience!

[Zealot]

Originally posted by MarkG
it's christmas, show some mercy... and some patience!

And for those who don't commemorate christmas?
Sorry Markos, but...

[Libertarian]

Some empathy maybe?

[Steve Clark]

Markos said 'patience'? Around here?

[player1]

IT IS NOT TRUE.
FUND. WAS REMOVED MUCH BEFORE.

You just need to find those old reviews from April or March.

But, I think that poisoning a city IS REMOVED because of 11. Sep.
(you can still find it in manual)


P.S.
Why people have so short memory?

[MarkG]

http://apolyton.net/misc/chat/civ3/christmas-chat-1.shtml