What in the high holy fu$%?

[Venger]

It's 1774, and having toured my empire mid turn, and having numerous cities in WLTPD, imagine my suprise with my domestic pimp telling me my citizens are overthrowing my democracy despite a 70% approval rate...what in the FUĊK is going on?

[Boracks]

Pardon the obvious question, but is it possible that you had a city in disorder for more than one turn? I know that would cause a democracy to fall in CIV2 (which this isn't) and I know that, with the quick flash by, one doesn't always note the cities that are in disorder, or even that you have any.

(I would assume you checked but someone has to ask the obvious. )

[Excelsior]

Hmmm, I haven't seen that before. I didn't know it could still happen. I am quite confident that two consecutive turns of disorder does not neccesarily mean a revolt under democracy. As I've said, I've never seen that before and I have had my entire empire in disorder for two turns or more.

[GePap]

Unlike Civ2

Being in disorder for multiple turns is not a cause of anarchy for Dems. I say this out of experience, and also because if in game terms that were true, then war weariness (a big factor for dems which causes much unhappiness) would usually make democracy quite useless for war.
Hey Venger-perhaps there's enemy spies afoot.... And its nice to see Elvis again.

[Venger]

Yes. I even have gone back and reloaded a previous turn, checked every city, and pumped luxuries up to 70% - there is not a city in disorder.

Unless I get some info on this that is satisfactory, I'm gonna have to vote "Bogus" on the whole damn shooting match... cause that's BS...

Venger

[Excelsior]

I found this in the manual.

"War weariness (described earlier in this chapter) has a profound negative effect on your citizens' happiness. In fact, if you remain at war for too long, your Democracy can fall into anarchy."

Perhaps you have been at war with a one city civ for the last 600 years and just forgot about it? I know that doesn't make sense when your cities were in WLT_D, but it is all I can think of.

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Venger
Yes. I even have gone back and reloaded a previous turn, checked every city, and pumped luxuries up to 70% - there is not a city in disorder.
Venger

Does it happen again when you reload?

[Venger]

Originally posted by Excelsior
I found this in the manual.

"War weariness (described earlier in this chapter) has a profound negative effect on your citizens' happiness. In fact, if you remain at war for too long, your Democracy can fall into anarchy."

Oh GIVE ME A STINKING BREAK. Yes, I've been at war with the Aztecs for a long time. And kicking their ass. You telling me a democracy doesn't like a successful war? Oh my lord...

Perhaps you have been at war with a one city civ for the last 600 years and just forgot about it? I know that doesn't make sense when your cities were in WLT_D, but it is all I can think of.

I think you've gotten it on the head. At least it's in the manual - make your opponents democracy fall by keeping him at war! What HORSE$HIT!!!

I half expected after that for a palace upgrade the way the damn thing works...

Thanks for finding it! Must modify...will let you know if it is modifiable in the editor...

Venger
P.S. Yes it happened after reloading and adjusting my luxuries just to test. Nothing I did would help. I've been trying to make peace the last few turns, and nobody accepts my envoy. Suddenly NOW they all allow contact...I must have tripped the "He's winning" trigger...

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Venger
Thanks for finding it! Must modify...will let you know if it is modifiable in the editor...
Venger

The only thing you can do in the editor is to change the degree of war weariness. Since Republic has low war weariness and, according to the manual, no risk of anarchy, if would follow that if you change Democracy to low war weariness it would solve the problem.

Originally posted by Venger P.S. Yes it happened after reloading and adjusting my luxuries just to test. Nothing I did would help. I've been trying to make peace the last few turns, and nobody accepts my envoy. Suddenly NOW they all allow contact...I must have tripped the "He's winning" trigger...

Does it not happen if you make peace with all your enemies?

[GePap]

Aggression

You don't have to make peace with all those you are at war with, only those that you attacked, i.e you begun the war. According to the manual, if someone decleres war on you, it causes no war weariness in democracy. i don't know if this means that someone declaring war on you cancels out all war weariness, or if the computer keeps tack of which wars you are engaged in are of self-defense and aggression and manages war weariness accordingly.

[dexters]

The Republic
is relatively efficient at allowing you to wage war without being hamgstringed up to your neck by ****ing hippies and communist subersives and their so called war weariness. We all know its a lame excuse at attacking your government so they can form a communist government.

Be aware of the hippies chanting anti-war slogans. They are not what they seem.

[Cian McGuire]

You telling me a democracy doesn't like a successful war? Oh my lord...

Hey, people wanted out of the Persian Gulf War, and there are many who adamantly oppose sending in any number of troops to Afghanistan.

It's realistic, and it adds a nice breaker to the power of a Democracy- which is good.

[Zylka]

Yes, realistic. Watch for a citizen led coup detat to come out of the Afghan pummeling. Just like in the gulf war. Or the Vietnam war.

Realistic.

[Rust]

Yes, I should hope that would happen if the government decides to ignore the greater majority of citizens.

[Cian McGuire]

Yes, realistic. Watch for a citizen led coup detat to come out of the Afghan pummeling. Just like in the gulf war. Or the Vietnam war.

Realistic.

Yes, as realistic as this game can get. Overthrows may symbolize an upset at the polls where those who were in power are voted out and their policies ignored. An abrupt change in a higher-echelon of decision-making will have a few turns of instability, lack of focus, and a general economic downturn. Listen to the polls, man.