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  • #16
    "In fact, some of what was in Civilization II, such as launching satellites into orbit and eliminating the fog of war, is missing here. "

    "For instance, the use of nuclear weapons or razing a city is considered an atrocity and in Civilization II, the computer players would let you know it."

    Ummm isnt he talking about SMAC? Maybe they should stick to FPS games.

    So anyone with the game seeing the stuff this guy is talking about (since the IGN guy didnt see it the same way) so we can get a real players view?
    The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

    Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      Look here:

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      http://www.avault.com/reviews/avscreenshot.asp?pic=civ3&num=5


      CARRIER

      Holy cities batman.
      The eagle soars and flies in peace and casts its shadow wide Across the land, across the seas, across the far-flung skies. The foolish think the eagle weak, and easy to bring to heel. The eagle's wings are silken, but its claws are made of steel. So be warned, you would-be hunters, attack it and you die, For the eagle stands for freedom, and that will always fly.

      Darkness makes the sunlight so bright that our eyes blur with tears. Challenges remind us that we are capable of great things. Misery sharpens the edges of our joy. Life is hard. It is supposed to be.

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      • #18
        Modern units routinely destroyed by ancient units
        SHEEEEEESH!!!!!! IT'S SIMPLE!!!! Why didn't Firaxis just program it so that a warrior does not win against a tank? DON'T USE PROBABILITY, I'd swear, but I stopped doing that a while ago.

        be free

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sn00py


          SHEEEEEESH!!!!!! IT'S SIMPLE!!!! Why didn't Firaxis just program it so that a warrior does not win against a tank? DON'T USE PROBABILITY, I'd swear, but I stopped doing that a while ago.

          Exactly. This is a huge disappointment to me. I'll place my faith now in the mod community. Why, oh why, didn't Firaxis use Apolytoners to test?

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          • #20
            IGN said that the ancient beating modern was very rare. Which one is right? Who knows... have to wait.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #21
              Let's face it: every game ever made has any number of things about it that could be complained about and criticized...the only time that we really start tearing down a game is when we come to the conclusion that the positives do not outweigh the negatives.
              The bottom line is that each of these reviewers have said that, in the end, Civ3 is well worth playing, has a high degree of replayibility, and is a great deal of fun, and in the end (after all, we are talking about a game, here), fun is the only thing that really matters in the end!
              Plus, let's remember that Civ3, in a manner similar to its predecessors, is almost endlessly customizable, which means that if you don't like a feature, change it, improve it, or delete it! There was a lot about SMAC that I didn't like when I first got it, but by the time I got finished customizing its options, using its editor, and hacking its files, I was able to custom-tailor it into a game that I loved in virtually every respect, which is one of the greatest strengths of this type of game...
              Of course, I haven't played Civ3 yet, and it's possible that it is a truly awful piece of software, but judging from the overwhelmingly positive conclusions of the 2 online reviews that we've seen so far, the positives may very well outweigh the negatives by a significant margin.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sn00py


                SHEEEEEESH!!!!!! IT'S SIMPLE!!!! Why didn't Firaxis just program it so that a warrior does not win against a tank? DON'T USE PROBABILITY, I'd swear, but I stopped doing that a while ago.

                hm lets see
                soviets sent tanks and mech infantry to afghanistan. they got slaughtered. well, i do believe there IS a probability that an 'ancient' (partisan-like and stripped down of arms) unit can kill a modern one. if tanks would win every time, the strongest civ would just roll over.....

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                • #23
                  yin: I agree, that review doesn't fill me with tons of hope, but on the bright side, there's the eminent possibility he doesn't know what he's talking about. This reviewer is apperantly being challenged on merely Prince difficulty level, so I can pretty well ignore all comments on diplomacy and effectiveness of the AI. Also, the review was a bit rough around the edges (Reagent difficulty? Fun chemistry, there...), so we can only hope.

                  As for modern vs. ancient: this was never a problem in Civ2. HP and Firepower insured that musketeers unholily wiped out veteran pikemen. Now HP is far less important, and there is no such thing as firepower. OF COURSE the problem is going to come back, duh. Better than CivI with only 1 HP per unit, of course, but it'll still be there.

                  LaRusso: The Afghans were armed with far better than pikes (maybe they'd count as Alpine Infantry) and had massive defense bonuses from the mountains (+200%). Of course they slaughtered the Russkies.
                  All syllogisms have three parts.
                  Therefore this is not a syllogism.

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                  • #24
                    so I can pretty well ignore all comments on diplomacy and effectiveness of the AI.
                    Well, there is always the chance the reviewer is incompetent, yes.
                    I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

                    "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SnowFire
                      LaRusso: The Afghans were armed with far better than pikes (maybe they'd count as Alpine Infantry) and had massive defense bonuses from the mountains (+200%). Of course they slaughtered the Russkies.
                      hum
                      i am not sure what to compare them with.
                      they did have rifles, but that's it. to arm them costed as much as to arm them with crossbows. plus, as i understand from this case, they killed the driver and burned the truck that transported nuke

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                      • #26
                        this is a 4000 word preview that actually contains new information and it seems like this guy played the game (wow gamespy what a concept! you should try it out some time!) the best of the reviews we've seen so far

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                        • #27
                          To me it looks like the reviewer is either unprofessional or incompetent (or both!). A lot of references he made to "civ 2" should have been references to SMAC. I havent played the game, but it also appears as though the reviewer missed the point of war weariness, corruption and the different types of governments.

                          Before you all go and flame the game on one reviewer's comments, perhaps you should wait and see.

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                          • #28
                            fanatic civver

                            i disagree with you

                            this is civ3 and not smac 2, many people didn't like smac as much as they liked civ2, and out of all of the reviews i read, this guy is the most fair, most professional, and most competant of all of the reviewers...although the review wasn't perfect it was better than the two others, and i think it gives the borderline player a decent gauge of the real game

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                            • #29
                              Korn, you misunderstood.

                              He meant that the references he attributed to Civ2, actually were from SMAC (and didn't exist in Civ2).
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #30
                                oh ok gotcha!
                                i've been up for about 20 hours now and i am finally feeling some sleepdep (sleep deprevation for you non insomniac types)

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