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**Faboba** · October 18, 2001, 00:19

Maybe they moved the 40 food box from size 3 to size 5.

Interesting though

**Sarxis** · October 18, 2001, 00:22

I was thinking that the women in the veil might be an entertainer; but because the other three women look angry, the entertainer doesn't seem to be generating enough happiness to keep the locals from unrest.

As far as the twenty food slots:

Yeah, what is up with that? I thought new population was supposed to cost 40 food without a granary. Must be something else factoring in.

**Wittlich** · October 18, 2001, 00:35

Re: INTERESTING New Screenshots with ICS implications

Originally posted by korn469
take a careful look at the foodbox in the second screenshot
size 4 city, no granary...

SIZE 20 FOODBOX!

Ah, I believe you are mistaken. The "20" is for the number of turns it will take to build a Spearman.

Originally posted by korn469
what does this mean for ICS? and this is most likely a screenshot from the final version of the game

Irrelevent since it's a 20 turn build queue and not the granery/storage. The 20-hold granery/storage is located just left of the build queue - and it's empty. As a matter of fact, it states right above it "-Zero Growth-". The city only gains 2 food per turn as it's setup in the snapshot.

Originally posted by korn469
EDIT:

btw the purple women are most likely Indian Nationals under Roman Occupation...but what is the princess (harem girl) looking citizen? it looks like smoke is coming off of the yellow ball to me...so could she be a member of the resistance or is she a happy person or what?

I believe the 3 purple women are "unhappy" citizens after the city falls. The 1 light blue woman is a "happy" citizen.

The "smoke coming off a yellow ball" is not a ball at all, but rather a coin, suggesting either luxury tax, upkeep, or some kind of cost or income; but I'm not to sure.

Well, that's what I make out of it anyway.

**korn469** · October 18, 2001, 00:36

ICS: Baby I'm Back!

well if they the size 40 foodbox doesn't hit until size five, think of how quickly cities will be able to grow to size 4 they will need 60 food compared 90 food in civ2

also Anunikoba the veiled girl could be an entertainer, because the Indian Nationals are smiling so i guess they are happy...but i thought that nationals of other civs were always unhappy...it also doesn't look like they are working tho, so why isn't the city starving?

we've got questions...now where is dan with the answers

**korn469** · October 18, 2001, 00:40

Wittlich

Ah, I believe you are mistaken. The "20" is for the number of turns it will take to build a Spearman.

under -zero growth- there are 20 food shaped containers, count them yourself

Irrelevent since it's a 20 turn build queue and not the granery/storage. The 20-hold granery/storage is located just left of the build queue - and it's empty. As a matter of fact, it states right above it "-Zero Growth-". The city only gains 2 food per turn as it's setup in the snapshot.

ahh so you know where the granary storage area is already

like i said count it

**Wittlich** · October 18, 2001, 00:44

Actually, when I reread my post prior to submitting it, I thought - humm, it looks like I'm confusing the build queue with the food storage. But I explain myself in the second part. So I figured "what the hey" let me just send it as is and see if everyone reads my entire post or just the first part....That didn't take long!

**Jeje2** · October 18, 2001, 00:45

Anyone notice the colonies or the lack of them?

I looked at the map-pictures and quite soon I noticed no colonies present. So are colonies "a good idea that didn't work" or what?

**Wittlich** · October 18, 2001, 00:48

Good observation Jeje2. It is rather strange that there isn't even one colony shown...

**korn469** · October 18, 2001, 00:54

Wittlich

how funny

also i went over to civfanatics and got these two screen shots

Page not found – CivFanatics

http://www.civfanatics.com/cgi-bin/autoimage.cgi?/civ3images/citymgt_queues.jpg

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http://www.civfanatics.com/cgi-bin/autoimage.cgi?/civ3images/citymgt2.jpg

they are both rather old, but carefully (this means you wittlich

) count the food boxes in those cities

first pic: size 6 city, size 20 foodbox
second pic: size 12 city, size 40 foodbox

i am guessing that cities change from a size 20 foodbox to a size 40 foodbox when you build the population lifting building, which is hospitals iirc

but what are the implications of a size 20 foodbox for ICS? especially since granaries work like they do in Civ2

EDIT:

also why is the city of Madras not starving? if you look at the older screenshots it shows you when citizens are working, and it appears that none of the citizens in Madras are working

also i think i figured something out, the green shoe thing with smoke coming out of it is the button you click to change what you are building

**yin26** · October 18, 2001, 01:00

Well, if a size 12 city takes twice at long to grow as does a size 6 city, can't you have several size 6 cities going by the time it would take you to get one size 20 city?

But I guess by pulling out the settler...So in other words, is it the optimal ICS strategy to build a a few 'breeder cities' without hospitals so you can keep cranking out settlers?

What am I misunderstanding here, Professor Korn?

**Sarxis** · October 18, 2001, 01:13

Yeah yin- something doesn't sound right.

And I looked at those nationals again- they do look they are smiling, but I before I thought they were angry (see their mean eyebrows?).

**korn469** · October 18, 2001, 01:35

my internet froze up, but anyway

So in other words, is it the optimal ICS strategy to build a a few 'breeder cities' without hospitals so you can keep cranking out settlers?

yeap, father beast was the first to pick up on this, so unless firaxis has some anti breeder city policy then a city between 5-7 would be best for building settlers

but not only that with the low food requirements population will grow much faster in civ3 it will take 120 food to grow a city from size 1 to size 7, compared to 270 food to grow a city from size 1-7 in civ2

hehe here's a new strategy for you wanna be Stalins
i'm naming this the

korn's commie rush

ok in the communist government, build several cities without hospitals and get their pop close to the limit, make sure you have a full police garrison then start work on a nuke (or other expensive unit) then once you can get close enough used forced labor to reduce the size of the city to 1 and build the nuke...let the city rapidly grow back (60 food with a granary) and repeat

the garrison will keep them in line and you should be able to quickly churn out nukes (unless forced labor isn't very effective)

**yin26** · October 18, 2001, 01:38

Quick, Markos! CLOSE THE THREAD...KORN IS ALREADY BREAKING THE GAME! LOL!

Father Beast beat me to it, eh? Bastard...

**korn469** · October 18, 2001, 01:43

but Yin you forgot about

Jeff Briggs: The final design of Civilization III profited in myriad ways from the Herculean play-test effort.

hehe and here i thought that they only used people from firaxis...but i know they wouldn't have let something like ICS slip into Civ3
right guys?

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