Governments

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Mars
Technocracy could be balanced with Lassiez-Faire style government (i would call it Corporate Capitalim), Fundamentalism, and something like the hive

Technocracy - High tech bonuses, barely any corruption, low esponage due to freeedom of knowledge

Corprate Capitalism - High Economy, Medium Corruption, High Espionage, Low Happiness

Fundamentalism - High Happiness, low science, medium corruption

Hive - High Production, Moderate Corruption, Low Science, Low Happiness, High military

What exactly would a Hive be, Mars? And Corporate Capitalism is a style of economy, not government. Also, I think Fundamentalism would have low unhappiness, but not necessarily high happiness.

[Mars]

Originally posted by Lorizael
How would Tribal government differ from something like Despotim.

Tribal - Would have a higher happiness than despotism but a lower military bonus and less production due to unorgization

BTW the Empire goverment someone mention could be like that in ancient china where the emperor was selected through the national examine and could have higher corruption with more production and technology and happiness - empire would come later than monarchy

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Mars


Tribal - Would have a higher happiness than despotism but a lower military bonus and less production due to unorgization

BTW the Empire goverment someone mention could be like that in ancient china where the emperor was selected through the national examine and could have higher corruption with more production and technology and happiness - empire would come later than monarchy

That sounds like a good idea.

Man, Mars, you sure know a lot about history. It's like your taking some history class, about the whole world... but you know so much it might even be an advanced placement class. I bet your teacher is a b**** too isn't she?

[Mars]

Originally posted by Lorizael
What exactly would a Hive be, Mars? And Corporate Capitalism is a style of economy, not government. Also, I think Fundamentalism would have low unhappiness, but not necessarily high happiness.

Hive would be a government that forces its people into a state of mindless work, perhaps through mindcontrol or brainwashing (the latter already exists so its not unrealistic to be in a recreated future at say 1980 or something) The government and mindful activity would be in the hands of a few high up oligarcy.

Corporate Capitalism would be a government, it would be much like if the limitations on business wasn't placed. The government would be in the hands of the monoplies that were created.

Low unhappiness and high happiness is practically the samething so what are you b1tchen about

[Mars]

Originally posted by Lorizael
That sounds like a good idea.

Man, Mars, you sure know a lot about history. It's like your taking some history class, about the whole world... but you know so much it might even be an advanced placement class. I bet your teacher is a b**** too isn't she?

You sure quess good

[Lorizael]

I guess those makes sense...

But there is a difference between low unhappiness and high happiness (specifically WLTKD) so I don't think it should be ignored.

Another neat idea someone I know has is if you had different max rates and min rates for each category on the tax slider, depending upon your government. For instance, a Theocracy would allow high taxes but not much science. On the other you could not tax democracies that much, but the science rate could be through the roof.

Wanna know how I know what you know?

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Lorizael


What exactly would a Hive be, Mars? And Corporate Capitalism is a style of economy, not government. Also, I think Fundamentalism would have low unhappiness, but not necessarily high happiness.

Think "Libertarian Party" - where even the sidewalk has been privatized.

[splangy]

Governments will probably be the #1 thing I change, I never liked Civ2's Model (to Limiting) or Ctp's (To fake IMHO) It'll look alot like this.

Fundy-gotta have the original its basically civ2's fundy with bad diplomats and good spys (terrorism)

Military regime- Troops shut alot of people up, lots of free units,Medium corruption (no Modern gov in civ can have high corruption and be used often), average diplomats, above average spys, and a 20% science penalty.

Fascism- Basically millitary regime with 10% sci penalty, lower corruption, but units cost more.

Fuedalism- The early war gov, with alot of free units, all of them oppress 2 citizens, above average corruption (to represent fueding city-states) good dips, bad spys.

Empire- It's monarchy because it sounds better early on.

Monarchy- (It comes with a advance witch makes it availible around the beggining of the gunpowder age) A few free units, low corruption, Very good Dips (to represent the "high society" of the imperialistic fammilies) average spys, good control of taxes, but it wont have the ability to rush labor (for gameplay not realism)

Just a few random Ideas...

[Droximus]

One thing that annoys me about the whole Civ line of games is the perpetuation of not distinguishing between government and economic systems.

Communism is not a government system, it is an economic system...capitalism is not a choice with a government, so communism shouldn't be either.

It would be interesting to be allowed to choose both an economic and government system, but that might get a bit too complicated for the masses.

[Mars]

have you ever played SMAC?

[jsw363]

I'd just like to note that all this matters little since the game's already gold.

However, I wanted to say that I liked the Tropican forms of government that allow for a wide variety of possibilites within one system. Haven't played AC, but heard that there are many fans of the SE system.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by jsw363
I'd just like to note that all this matters little since the game's already gold.

Yeah, and the editor went gold with it. That's what we're talking about.

How about this scheme - builds upon the idea that governments often go obscelete to some extent and can be called according to successor:

Decentralized types:
-city state (ancient)
-feudalism (medieval)
-confederation (modern): think CSA

Popular Representation:
-Republic (ancient)
-Representative Democracy (modern)
-Direct Democracy (future?)

Centrally Controlled:
-Monarchy/Dynastic (ancient)
-Constitutional Monarchy (medieval)
-Fascism (modern)

Utopian: (governemnt directed towards some lofty ideal)
-Theocracy (ancient)
-Communism (modern)
-Technocracy (future?)

And why does everyone want to penalize science under fascism?

[krzysiek]

Originally posted by The Templar
And why does everyone want to penalize science under fascism?

1. A lot of scientists escaped from fascist Germany.
2. Many scientists who stayed there worked on weird theories, which justified superiority of one nation over other nations.
3. Public burning of books in Germany before WW2.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by krzysiek
2. Many scientists who stayed there worked on weird theories, which justified superiority of one nation over other nations.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that! Guess their science wasn't an exact science.

[krzysiek]

Re: Re: A bunch of "berries"

Originally posted by The Templar
... and better production under communism.

Disagree. Before 1990 my country was governed by communists. I can't say that production rate was high. Simple example: shops without goods. You couldn't buy toilet paper, meat, fruits. Crazy.

For historical accuracy edit settings file to decrease production rate under Communsim by 50%.