A late complain

[Mikael]

Funny map though

[red_jon]

I made this point about ctp1 and 2 and got flamed so much I got 3rd degree burns.

Civ2 was too euro-centric - Britain had waaaaaaaay too many wonders.

[Bostic]

That map about the USA's view of the world was hilarious and sadly it is true for a lot of people. I am an american and I guess it should offend me but I understand and in some cases I agree with it. Although it does seem a lot of people dislike the USA just becuase there the most powerful country in the world. If it were up to me there wouldnt even be countries because all they do is start conflicts, there should just be one. The Civ series bases there monuments and wonders on the nest of a certain type of thing.Many happene to be from America. But only in the modern age and industrial. Nothing can be from america before that because it didnt exist, its just that the dominating country of the owrld tends to have the most wonders of the age, the USA dominated the end of the industrial age and the modern age so they get the most wonders, its that simple.

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by Jason Beaudoin
Put it this way...

I once told an American lady that I was from Canada, and she replied: "Is that in the Caribbean?"

Yes this is quite sad......I do think that generally Americans could be a little more informed about the world outside of the US. I mean they've got bases all over the world you'd think they would know more.....
I wonder if she even knows where the capitol of her own country is???

That being said, although they may have stupid governmental and military leaders/policies (many do!), I generally find Americans likable and well meaning.

[Sabre2th]

Simpleton: What I've seen of you tells me that you're well-meaning and even likeable (), but I can't believe this statement:

Yes this is quite sad......I do think that generally Americans could be a little more informed about the world outside of the US.

There is no 'generally.' Each American is different. Some are ignorant, yes, but many, many more are quite knowledgable. This is a classic example of how a few bad apples spoiled the entire batch. I would have hoped that the people here at Poly would be a little smarter than that.

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by Sabre2th
Simpleton: What I've seen of you tells me that you're well-meaning and even likeable (), but I can't believe this statement:



There is no 'generally.' Each American is different. Some are ignorant, yes, but many, many more are quite knowledgable. This is a classic example of how a few bad apples spoiled the entire batch. I would have hoped that the people here at Poly would be a little smarter than that.

Yes, I apoligize. My poor choice of words. What I wanted to say is what you said. I got called away while writing this post several times and obviously lost my train of thought. I think I edited my post 4 times trying to get it right but obviously never did.
Thanks for making my point for me.
Although I stand by my point about "political and military leaders".

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by tuckson
The problem usually is that the US often underestimates anything outside their borders. Besides that, Most Americans are pretty sure The US of A are the best country in the World. Of course other countries have sort a like ideas, only they usually don't try to be the world's police officer. America seems to think the World NEEDS America. Well... it can be used, but the world can survive without the USA I guess.

There are quite a few Americans who would love to disengage from the rest of the world, such as removing our troops (Balkans, Israel-Egypt, et al.) and whatnot. Unfortunately we cannot. If we retreat into isolationism, then we would be burned at the stake for *NOT* using our power to make the world a better place. As it stands now, we use that power and we still get spat on because we don't use it in a "proper" manner.

It would be interesting if we chose to only *trade* with the rest of the planet, but not get involved with any other aspect of internationalism. Then we would probably be accused of being vultures. Or worse, Ferengi.

It's not we (non-americans) don't like the USA. Not at all, usually they have our sympathy. But if we look at the circus you make of the democratic principle of election, how can you expect to be taken seriously?

I'm willing to bet your own leaders have their own bread and circuses, too. But for some reason, it doesn't make me think less of an entire nation because of it. If that were the case, you'd see me slamming Germany for Helmut Kohl's transgressions. France ... don't even get me started on France.

Perhaps there is one constant across all cultures and all nations: Individuals can be smart, generous and wise. They can also be idiotic, tight-fisted and not-so-wise.

CYBERAmazon

[squid]

It was written by US developers. Just be glad we decided to export it's greatness to you at all

[Mikael]

Heh, I guess they're pretty glad too, taking in our foreign bucks...

[Simpleton]

I finally am able to finish the thoughts I wanted to earlier.
Given the fact that Americans have ample access to TV, Radio, etc. I believe that, on average Americans are less informed about the rest of the world than they ought to be.
That being said, although Canadians have the same access to these media resources they too are less informed than they should be. However, I do believe that Canadians on average are more well informed about the rest of the world than Americans.

[Falconius]

Originally posted by tuckson
The problem usually is that the US often underestimates anything outside their borders. Besides that, Most Americans are pretty sure The US of A are the best country in the World. Of course other countries have sort a like ideas, only they usually don't try to be the world's police officer. America seems to think the World NEEDS America. Well... it can be used, but the world can survive without the USA I guess.

First, the USA IS the best country in the world! That's why most of the world's immigrants come here.

Second, the world DOES need America! We tried to stay out of World War One, but had to come and save Europe from destroying itself. Then we tried to stay out of World War Two, but once again were forced out of our isolation to come save everyone from the warmongering Germans and Japanese. Then the British and French BEGGED us to keep troops in Europe and send some to the mid-east to counter the Soviet threat. Then we had to prop up the dying European economies with the Marshall plan.

Third, the US is now the world's police officer because the world NEEDS a police officer! After the experience of repeatedly going from war to isolationism, we were finally forced to stay out by the length of the Cold War. And we are merely replacing the British in their role of the "Balancer" in world affairs. With so many fires constantly igniting in the world that threaten to become greater conflagrations, the world needs someone to come along and put out the fire.

It would be nice to see some international body, like the UN, be given the authority to be the world's policeman, but so far that hasn't panned out. So the top dog is forced into the role. Who else is gonna do it? The Netherlands!?

Be thankful it was the Soviets that collapsed and not the US. Can you imagine the Soviets as world policeman? At least the US attempts not to harm civilians (depite the fact that we recently lost 6000 of them). A Soviet war machine might not be so polite.

[saracen31]

We're all guilty. The average hayseed Canadian is no better informed than the average hayseed American. The world is much the same wherever you go. A lot of people throughout the world just don't give thought to matters outside their own immediate concerns.

It's no different in America than anywhere else. Whereas America I'm sure has some of the most uninformed people on earth, we also have some of the most informed people on earth - it all balances out in the end.

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by Falconius


First, the USA IS the best country in the world! That's why most of the world's immigrants come here.

Second, the world DOES need America! Then the British and French BEGGED us to keep troops in Europe and send some to the mid-east to counter the Soviet threat. Then we had to prop up the dying European economies with the Marshall plan.

Third, the US is now the world's police officer because the world NEEDS a police officer!

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Oh man!! I was going to drop this and not post in this thread anymore but after this one I couldn't stop.

Your arrogant comments are one of the reasons Americans are disliked throughout the world? If you go pushing that pompus attitude in people's faces of course they're going to react with contempt!
Yes, America has done a lot of good things but maybe watch the news a little more often (non-American) and you might notice that other countries make really great contributions around the world too!!

Hey? One question. If Americans are so proud of their country why is it that they wear Canadian pins and shirts when they vacation abroad?????
When someone posts crap like this it's so hard to like Americans!

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Falconius

It would be nice to see some international body, like the UN, be given the authority to be the world's policeman, but so far that hasn't panned out.

God forbid that ever happens. The UN has been a useless body for many many years. Nice to run up the political score there on someone by having them condemmed but for the most part useless. Nato is far more useful.

[Falconius]

Originally posted by Simpleton
Your arrogant comments are one of the reasons Americans are disliked throughout the world? If you go pushing that pompus attitude in people's faces of course they're going to react with contempt!

You're very good at name-calling, but lousy at refuting my assertions. Name one thing I said that isn't true.