Rebels are IN CIV3!

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by Asesino_Virtual
Ive just have a email-chat with the guy of the post. He is working in a preview for gamepen.com, i asked who is his source, and he said "Firaxis". So, its pretty official. Perhaps, one of the (surely) many surprises that Dan is keeping.

See if you can email chat again and see if those damn partisans are coming back.

Thanks for the info, who was the "Firaxis" informant? PR, Jeff, Dan, cousin of Firaxis employee, janitor?

[Hoek]

What about barbarians? This was probably the most under developed aspect of the game. They could easily be made to modify real-life conditions. If Sid incorporated the "release mind worms" kind of feature into Civ 3, it could be very interesting. In older times, it could be like the Dutch paying pirates to harrass french ships or in modern times it could be like state-sponsored terrorism.

[Sarxis]

Tis true then? Kick A$$!

[monkspider]

This could be terribly kick ass, good job on the info asesnino. But I am left to wonder, how will leader art and various other diplomatic functions be handled? Will they have the same leader art as the mother country? Or will they simply have none at all?

Next, and most importantly, what will trigger this split? Bad luck? Lots of unhappiness? The old-school capture of the capital?

[Cyclotron]

What? I loved partisans! They really made you fight for every tile. Partisans are blitzkreig-busters, making it hard to take out a slew of cities in one turn. Long live the resistance!

[Dimorier Maximus]

Partisans suck! I hate those things.

That's why I always take a few spies in with my invading howies. And if the civ I'm attacking has a nice railroad network, they're history.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

If this information turns out to be true, then this will be one of my BIGGEST wishes for the game granted. Basically, what I wanted to see was the chance for a split in your nation under 4 possible circumstances:
1) 2 or more cities are in a state of revolt
2) General Civ Unhappiness over 51%
3) Loss of Capital or
4) Sudden Change of Government.
The way I thought it might work was that, if any of the above conditions were met, the computer would use a RND function to determine if cities broke away based on factors like corruption, city unhappiness, cities culture, # of foreign nationals, distance from capital and # of military units in city. If a city breaks away, then it might lead to a dominoe effect, where neigbouring cities are also checked (if applicable).
Though I'm not sure if they go into this much detail, I always hoped that rebel cities would become like a "minor Civ", that you could either re-conquer through war, or lure back into the fold via diplomacy!! I certainly hope that is the case!!!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

[monkspider]

good ideas lurker
I especially like the one about the sudden change of Gov't

[Urban Ranger]

Still waiting for official confirmation.

Afterall, lots of Firaxians frequent this site.

[Eli]

What change of goverment is not sudden?

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Eli
What change of goverment is not sudden?

Good question.

What I think he meant is that the revolt could occur when the change is drastic, i.e. going from Democracy to Despotism or something like that.

If the change occurs gradually - Despotism - Monarchy - Republic - Democracy, the risk of revolt should be minimal or non-existent.

[Asesino_Virtual]

I think the city graphics, and special units will remain the same as its mother country.
For the rebel faction´s leader, i think:
1) No face. He/she will be behind a mysterious shadow.
2) Standard face. All the same face for all the rebels factions in the game. Perhaps the Che Guevara?. Would be cool, Argentina is everywhere!

[Earthling7]

Originally posted by SerapisIV
Hopefully though the idea of rebels being in Civ3 won't mean the Civ2 partisans, damn I hated those things, all they were was annoying, not useful.

They represent guerilla warfare. I was frequently able to recapture lost cities using them. One modification would be nice though. As they know the land better than the invaders, they should be invisible until attack (stealth).

Nice ideas Aussie

[Ralf]

Rebels are definitly a good idea.
More challenging domestical problems also - not just mostly foreign ones, as in Civ-2.

In Civ-2 you lost some city-area production + less tax, as long as your cities was rioting. In Civ-3 you should also stand the risk of having them declare independence as well, if you are ignoring the problems and/or your gov-policies is just too offensive.
If one or more of your cities declare independence, you are forced to re-conquer your rebel-cities, by actively fight against any troops you had fortified in those cities, before the riot. And thats definitely harder then just enforce martial order by moving in troops.

[Orlando]

So what would be viable rebel factions for the civilizations?

Americans - Confederates
English - Scots? (Would be Americans, but...)
Japanese - Ishida (the opposing side of the victorious Tokugawa)
Roman - Byzantine
Greek - Spartan?

Corrections? Others?