MP no longer mentioned in Amazon advertising.

[TCO]

Well...would you scream if I raped you...or just "lie back..."

[KrazyHorse]

I'd use the #1 proven tactic: defecation&urination. Nothing stops a rape like disgust.

[TCO]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'd use the #1 proven tactic: defecation&urination. Nothing stops a rape like disgust.

Are you trying to get this thread locked. GP resists the urge to one up...keeps comment in head and does not write it down...

Now...getting back to Civ3. It looks like Infogrames is approaching this as a marketing problem. It seems pretty interesting to me. I wonder if they might want some high-priced help...

[Sun Zi 36]

Originally posted by Anunikoba
You know.. I can't really blame them. I mean, yes, it is taking us for a ride. But at the same time, it is a free market society we are living in and they can pretty much do what they want with CIV.

I thought the most important feature in a free market economy is consumer soveriegnty. Doesn't seem like it is anymore.

[Jamison]

Anyother game and the multi would be downloadable. And I agree, if they stiff us over too much, they may just lose their customers. It is never good to "toy" with the customer base.

[KrazyHorse]

Sun: you're free to buy or not. That's the only freedom guaranteed by a consumer society.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Jamison
Anyother game and the multi would be downloadable. And I agree, if they stiff us over too much, they may just lose their customers. It is never good to "toy" with the customer base.

Nad if they don't stiff you enough, they may leave money on the table that they never collect.

[Roman]

Are you sure MP is not in?

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by GP


Nad if they don't stiff you enough, they may leave money on the table that they never collect.

And if they stiff customers too much they will lose more than money from this game they will lose customers for all future products.

Don't believe it, look at old companies like Spectrum Holobyte, Microsprose, etc. Enough bad games and/or attempts to gouge the customers and the customer moves on.

[TCO]

We can go back and forth on this, Ozy. They charge too little, they go out of business, they charge too much they go out of business.

IMNSHO, the key is "funness". If the game is a killer fun game (as Civ2 and Civ1 were), they will be able to get away with exploiting the market. If it's not fun, they won't.

[Roman]

There is still hope - Firaxis did not mention that MP is out.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by GP
We can go back and forth on this, Ozy. They charge too little, they go out of business, they charge too much they go out of business.

IMNSHO, the key is "funness". If the game is a killer fun game (as Civ2 and Civ1 were), they will be able to get away with exploiting the market. If it's not fun, they won't.

lol, GP!

I know and understand this, but I still feel I must post a realistic, not-everyone-is-a-sucker view as well.

Just trying to balance all the blind devotion that's seen around here daily.

[randomturn]

Oh, come on... Everyone who *****es about the price of Civ3 only does so because of the totally arbitrary pricing structure of computer games that dictates that new product must be $40 - $50 for every player no matter how much utility (time or enjoyment) he or she gets from the game. The theoretical "optimal" pricing point for a game would differ from player to player depending upon utility; and every single person on this board would pay more than $50 for Civ3 if it weren't for the anchor of arbitrary pricing standard.

In other words, in an alternate reality where games aren't released nationally or carried in stores, but are instead sold in limited runs on a not-to-be-exceeded, first-come, first-served basis to a pre-defined number of, say, 5,000 users who pay, say, $200 each, I think it's pretty obvious that virtually everyone at Apolyton would gladly be on that list of 5,000. It is irrational to complain of a lack of fairness in what is clearly an arbitrary pricing structure in what is clearly a very tough industry on the supply side in which you the consumer have perfect freedom of choice and in which you, specifically, the self-selected Apolyton gamer (who will get far more than "average" utility from the product) will nonetheless "unfairly" pay just an "average" price.

And to any idiot who is tempted to flame me for "saying that Civ3 should be $200": (A) that's not what I'm saying, and (B) try learning something about theoretical economics.

[aebbeka]

Maybe they're trying to boost the sales of a future expansion pack. If the expansion includes multiplayer support, many more people will buy it than if MP was already included in the game.

It still all comes back to $$$.

[Alexander's Horse]

I WANT MY MULTIPLAYER!

Why don't they release it with MP and then release an enhanced MP later? Best of both worlds.

Do they really want the multiplayer community bashing the game before and after release? Its a vocal community.