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DanS knows what he's talking about. Longevity is the study of increased life expentancy. A term we'll be hearing about in the news as the research progresses. Certainly Firaxis is on the ball, and well informed. I like thinking that my Civ will be researching advanced medicine for the sake of my people's health.
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So is IQ, which is obviously a completely objective measure of intelligence.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Uh... economic growth can be calculated by math
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Oh dear, methinks someone is speaking out of their back hole....Originally posted by DanS
Rhysie: doesn't really relate to any health service, considering that universal health insurance or a social health service might add a couple of years to a life. Tops.
You try telling that to the people that die at age 30 because they're too poor to afford decent health care...now, back you go to your Republican pipe-dream, flag-waving wonderworld.
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It seems like common sense to...
Before you start insulting people, check basic facts available in any short almanac. The US has a life expectancy at birth of 77.26 years.
The UK and Canada, two countries with completely government-run health services, but similar lifestyles to the US, have life expectancies of 77.82 years and 79.56 years, respectively. IOW, there is no real advantage in life expectancy in countries where health services are provided by the government.
Austria and Germany, both of which have a government-provided basic health insurance package, but somewhat different lifestyles, have a life expectancy of 77.84 and 77.61 years, repsectively. IOW, there is no real difference in life expectancy in countries where universal health insurance is government-provided.
The government requiring everyone to have a household pet would have a much greater impact on life expectancy. Discouraging divorce would have a much greater impact on life expectancy.
Next...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Re: It seems like common sense to...
Dear Dan,Originally posted by DanS
Before you start insulting people, check basic facts available in any short almanac. The US has a life expectancy at birth of 77.26 years.
The UK and Canada, two countries with completely government-run health services, but similar lifestyles to the US, have life expectancies of 77.82 years and 79.56 years, respectively. IOW, there is no real advantage in life expectancy in countries where health services are provided by the government.
Austria and Germany, both of which have a government-provided basic health insurance package, but somewhat different lifestyles, have a life expectancy of 77.84 and 77.61 years, repsectively. IOW, there is no real difference in life expectancy in countries where universal insurance is government-provided.
The government requiring everyone to have a household pet would have a much greater impact on life expectancy. Discouraging divorce would have a much greater impact on life expectancy.
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In Cuba, people can expect to live to 79 years of age (almost two more years than rich people in the US). This is because they have a fully-funded and fully supported public health system. The system in the UK is partly-privatized, underfunded and chronically inefficient--and even then it is better than the US system for your average Joe.
You miss the main point. Try quoting your statistics to the man who dies at 30 because he can't afford health insurance. Your statistics mean little to them. You should consider becoming an economist. As far removed from reality for ordinary people as can possibly be.Comment
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Go DanS, it's your birthday.Comment
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People Should Know When They're Conquered
HL: this is way too easy. Do you want some of the action, here?
David: Cuba has a Western health system, but they don't drink vodka all day long. No more complicated than that.
During the Cold War there was a lot of worry in the Soviet Union that they weren't keeping up with the Western Europe's and the US' life expectancy. The Soviet's kept up their advances until the '60s, but after that it wouldn't budge, even though they had a good health system. To this day, there is a significant gap between Russian and the Western World (~10 years).
Moral of the story: don't drink vodka all day long; it's bad for your health.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Wow, you just proved my point. Which is that there are social, psychological, and unquantifable variables to consider in economics, and not just mathematics.Originally posted by DanS
David: Cuba has a Western health system, but they don't drink vodka all day long. No more complicated than that.
Why has the U.S. economy slowed down after the September 11? If economics was a pure science, shouldn't we have predicted it would happen?
Edit: Or perhaps that's too strong of a way of putting it. How about, how does "depression and consumer apprehension" fit into an equation? And I mean the psychological definition of depression, not the economic.Last edited by Pembleton; September 26, 2001, 10:35.Comment
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Those Who Don't Study History Are Doomed To Repeat It
Errr... I just quantified it in relation to life expectancy (~10 years). Call it a civ-specific life expectancy penalty.
And it was predicted that we would have a slow down after the attack. What channel were you watching?
Re apprehension and the like--it is measured; the Conference Board calls it "consumer confidence", which eventually has an ousized effect on number of hour units worked per person, and in this cycle, productivity also.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Actually I meant predicting that the terrorist action would actually take place, not what would happend afterwards. But never mind, we are getting to splitting hairs and questions of semantics which is uninteresting and unproductive (for me at least).Comment
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Back to the subject at hand...
Interestingly, the National Institue on Aging is in Baltimore. Coincidence? Not likely.
Some resources for those interested...
http://www.nih.gov/nia/research/meet...odelreport.htm (yes, I know, out there--but this comes closest to being related to the rumors I've heard)
Last edited by DanS; September 26, 2001, 12:09.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Actually my first reaction was that it's probably just a development name--it may very well end up as Cure for Cancer or World Health Organization or Universal Vaccine or something.Comment
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I think that the longevity wonder sounds a lot like the birth of modern medicine. In my opinion, the temporary very fast increase in population reflects very well, what europe experienced from the end of the 19th to about the middle of the 20th century.
But maybe it should be a minor wonder. After all, every region of the world has since "built the longevity wonder".
The old WLTPD orgys still sounds like a lot more fun.
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Re: Those Who Don't Study History Are Doomed To Repeat It
Would we have predicted the slow down before we knew about the crashes? Probably not, since the event was rather unexpected. Once it happened, of course we could predict a slowdown. But we could not never taken this into account before we even knew the event can happen.Originally posted by DanS
Errr... I just quantified it in relation to life expectancy (~10 years). Call it a civ-specific life expectancy penalty.
And it was predicted that we would have a slow down after the attack. What channel were you watching?
Re apprehension and the like--it is measured; the Conference Board calls it "consumer confidence", which eventually has an ousized effect on number of hour units worked per person, and in this cycle, productivity also.
Statistics can predict trends, but 100% certainty is practically impossible to obtain."If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away" --Henry David ThoreauComment
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I hope so. I suggested the WHO in another thread.Originally posted by Andrew1999
Actually my first reaction was that it's probably just a development name--it may very well end up as Cure for Cancer or World Health Organization or Universal Vaccine or something.
If it is to be 21st century instead, I can't think of anything that would produce a population boom until we discover Regeneration. 'Just' a cure for cancer will not have enough impact.A horse! A horse! Mingapulco for a horse! Someone must give chase to Brave Sir Robin and get those missing flags ...
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