What a joke this idea invaders can't use railroads

[Alexander's Horse]

I'm pleased most of you agree with the bleeding obvious point that invaders should be able to use roads. What were you thinking Firaxis?

But I'm shocked that many seem to think invaders should not be able to use railroads because somehow hostile populations prevent them or the rail is destroyed or whatever. WHAT UTTER NONSENSE.

Both World War I and World war II showed that invaders use railroads freely and the only thing that stops them is if the line is blocked by troops. Partisans, bombing, nothing stopped the Germans using the European railways during World War II. In both wars, trains were used to bring supplies right to the battle front, by both sides.

So stop these idotic comments. Some of you should read some history.

[Triped]

Speaking as the president of the Official **** Realism Club of Apolyton:

History doesn't matter. Good gameplay does.
Your people would probably be ripping up the tracks as they retreated, like the Russians in WW2.

[Pembleton]

Are techs researched one at a time, and do you actually know that you will discover a tech years before its actually discovered? Why does it take 20+ years for a civ to counterattack in the early game, and then 1 year in the late game? Why does suddenly completing a building (wonder) in area of your civ automatically give all your citizens a bonus?

As Triped said, gameplay and balance is more important than realism.

[Triped]

You can be Vice-President

[Madine]

But I'm shocked that many seem to think invaders should not be able to use railroads because somehow hostile populations prevent them or the rail is destroyed or whatever. WHAT UTTER NONSENSE.

Yup yup. When the Germans invaded Poland, they loaded up their tanks into trains, took the train right up to the outskirts of Warsaw and unloaded. Right?

You'll still be able to use the railroads after you have captured the nearby city.

[DanS]

Go Play Chess

A perfectly balanced abstracted game. I'm sure the AI is better too.

[Triped]

I have a suggestion...I think there should be an option to tear up the tracks...that way, the trains could be used, but if you took the simple precaution (no resources required) it'd be hard to get around. Any thoughts?

[shum00]

I for one agree with Alexander's Horse on this issue. I can see why railroads might not be able to be used by invading civs, but I still think pillaging suffices for this purpose. And not being able to use roads makes no sense to me at all.

[Triped]

Yeah, any game where the team that goes first wins 70% of the games is really balanced.

[Yog-Sothoth]

I agree AH, this is just stupid. At least you should be able do use roads/railroad at a reduced effect.

I agree that gameplay is very important, but this is just taking it to far.

Btw, is this effect just for military units or will it affect trade units, diplos etc also?

[DanS]

Triped: Tennis, right?

[Alexander's Horse]

Thank you for making my case

Originally posted by Triped
Your people would probably be ripping up the tracks as they retreated, like the Russians in WW2.

The Germans got the railroads running DAYS after the Sovs pulled out even where track was ripped up. The Sovs did the same when ther recaptured. Railheads on both side ran to within a few kilometres of the front. Partisans had a nuisance value but never stopped the German army using the Soviet rail network.

The fact is players have ways of dealing with railways like pillaging them or using partisans. There is simply No reason why invaders should not be able to use open captured track.

[Pembleton]

Re: Go Play Chess

Originally posted by DanS
A perfectly balanced abstracted game. I'm sure the AI is better too.

Thanks. I've never heard of chess. I'll go try it out.

[dainbramaged13]

Re: Re: Go Play Chess

Originally posted by Pembleton


Thanks. I've never heard of chess. I'll go try it out.

[The diplomat]

The thing to remember is that roads and even more so railroads made conquest way too unbalanced. Since the AI would literally blanket every square of their empire with roads or railroads, a player could use those roads to move an army through the ENTIRE AI empire in just a few turns. You could literally conquer an entire continent in just 2 or 3 turns. So, I think that this could be why roads will not be useable in civ3 during an invasion, to make conquest more balanced. The defender needs a chance to defend themselves. It is not fair when an enemy can take 5 or more cities before it is even your turn again!

Also remember that 1 turn = 1 year. I think in 1 year, we should assume that the defender has been able to block/disrupt the roads and railroads to prevent enemy use of them. We are talking about an entire 1 year!