Serious golden age problem

[Inverse Icarus]

then i obviously didn;t recall correctly

[monolith94]

"Actually, "during a 'golden age', all worked tiles in your empire contribute one additional trade and shield per turn".
It's quite a civilizational boost. "

Holy CRAP!!! That's like having a Colossus and King Richard's Crusade in EVERY city!

[jdd2007]

this is just one adavantage of being a civ that gets its GA late in game. if you get it earlier u can get an edge over other civs, and therefore get apollo first

[ancient]

science bonus for begining would be better than production bonus


I have a better idea

Different gold ages depending on the different abbilities of your civ..

[mactbone]

*sigh*

But this thread isnt about that, its about some civs being able to build the spaceship in half the time.

And you've played the game to know?

this is just one adavantage of being a civ that gets its GA late in game. if you get it earlier u can get an edge over other civs, and therefore get apollo first

This very well could be true, but personally I'm going to wait a while before I make sweeping generalizations. None of us have played the game yet (you're not holdong out on us are you?) so at this point we have no idea how all of these new concepts will translate, because we're not just getting GAs and UUs added to Civ2, we're getting Civ3 and two of the new features are GAs and UUs. So let's not go around screaming "unfair" until we play the game.

[Adrien]

This shouldn't be too much of a problem.

In single player, if the Americans or Germans are played and game balance becomes an issue, the designers will do what designers have always done.

They'll let the computer cheat.

For example, they can double the length of the computer's Golden Age. Add that to the increased rate of science and production the computer's always had on Emperor and above, and that takes care of the single-player issue.


In multiplayer, you forget the human element.

For example. Player A (Aztec) and Player B (Persian) see player C (American.)

Both player A and player B are in the midst of their golden ages. Player C won't have a golden age for several hundred turns.

Player A says to Player B, "Hey. Let's beat the crap out of the Americans now, before they get to their Golden Age, because the Americans are game-unbalancing."

Player A and Player B promptly proceed to eliminate the Americans from the game.

And thus, game balance is no longer an issue. People are always hostile towards the "best" empires.

Roight?

[Darkknight]

I think getting your golden age early could balance out with getting it late.
say you are at war with pesky civ on your continent and you can suddenly build twice as much as he can as well as having better troops you're bound to win thus gaining his cities and any techs he has. His cities then have the entire game to repay what advantage you would have by getting your golden age in the later ages.
And in a battle in the later ages you probably won't make such a military gain as his cities should be well protected by city walls and other inventions Sid's thrown in

[introvert]

Considering that building Great Wonders can also trigger GA's, then any nation that tries to hold back on it's GA until the Space Race will probably be so far behind the other civs that built the Wonders that the game is over before they can even start building the space ship.

Well maybe...

[Urban Ranger]

This has been discussed before.

One thing many people forget is advantages gained early on in the game will be multiplied throughout the ages.

One thing I have just realised. GA favours ICS.


Oops.

[connorkimbro]

In the beginning it often takes about 15-20 turns to research a technology

Not if you know what you're doing.

[DonJoel]

Well, the point is that researching is faster later anyway.
But im not going to argue about wehter (did i spell it right?) its best to have the golden age late or in the beggining, im just saying that it could be used by some civilization during the space race to complete their space ship in half. And that seems a little bit wierd dont you think?

Otherwise I dont think golden age will matter that much, so saying that a civilization that has their godlen age earlier will become much bigger sounds like alot of crap to me.

[jdd2007]

wehter (did i spell it right?)

i hope that was a joke. WHETHER

[Chronus]

One thing many people forget is advantages gained early on in the game will be multiplied throughout the ages.

One thing I have just realised. GA favours ICS.

Exactly.

I still feel that an early GA gives its country a much bigger advantage. Higher production and such allows the civ to produce settlers faster and spread out its cities . . . an important ICS concept.

ICS is a proven (and, IMOHO, boring) technique used to win civ games. It is so effective that even Firaxis itself has implemented safeguard features in Civ 3 to reduce or eliminate its effects. Hopefully, they have found a way to balance all this out. Thank goodness it's an option that I can always turn off.

[DonJoel]

i hope that was a joke. WHETHER

You know what? I bet I am better att swedish than you are and that you are better at english. Do you now how to spel whether in swedish? Didnt think so.

[Pembleton]

Originally posted by jdd2007

i hope that was a joke. WHETHER

Hey news flash. The world is full of many different cultures and languages. And surprise, English is not the native language of many members of this forum.

Get out and learn about the rest of the world you arrogant twit.

Perhaps I shouldn't be so harsh, but damn, sometimes the stupidity of so many people compounded builds up and I have to vent.