Serious golden age problem

[DonJoel]

I just came to think of something kind of important.

If you get a produktion bonus when you have your golden age the civilizations that get their golden age late (germans, americans etc.) will be able to time it so that when the space race begins they enter the golden age.

They will then be able to complete the spaceship in much shorter, perhaps half, the time! Then it would be very easy to win the game using this tactic.

Thats really unfair and i hope that golden age only gives food and trade bonuses.

[Gramphos]

Maybe, but a boost in the beginning could also be good. You could get long in advance in knowledge.

[DonJoel]

Yep, but i think it will be better to have the golden age late anyway since you often wage big wars in the endgame.

But about being able to use the golden age to complete the space race at half the time is nothing less than a bug to me and will be game ruining in especially multiplayer games.

[dainbramaged13]

Originally posted by Gramphos
Maybe, but a boost in the beginning could also be good. You could get long in advance in knowledge.

this is true

[Gramphos]

But if the other start the spaceship construction 50 turns before you have invented it due to an early golden age boosting your science? And You would also need to build the Apollo Program, now the Civ with abilities that trig a golden age by the Apollo Program (if any) would have the best abilities.

[DonJoel]

not really.
In the beginning it often takes about 15-20 turns to research a technology and in the endgame it would take perhaps 5 turns (in civ2)

This means the the advantages of having the golden age late is bigger since it would perhaps give 5 extra technologies instead of 2, this is based on the fact that a golden age is a fixed number of turns.

But this thread isnt about that, its about some civs being able to build the spaceship in half the time.

[DonJoel]

But if the other start the spaceship construction 50 turns before you have invented it due to an early golden age boosting your science? And You would also need to build the Apollo Program, now the Civ with abilities that trig a golden age by the Apollo Program (if any) would have the best abilities.

Do you really think that golden age will be so special that it will give any big benefit?

I dont. But i think that if some civs can use it when they build thier spaceship they game will get very unbalanced.

[The Andy-Man]

i think there is an option to turn golden ages and unique units off isnt there....

and also, i think that they already said that things like golden age etc wont make a massive game imbalencing impact, but more of a slight lil local one.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by DonJoel
not really.
In the beginning it often takes about 15-20 turns to research a technology and in the endgame it would take perhaps 5 turns (in civ2)

This means the the advantages of having the golden age late is bigger since it would perhaps give 5 extra technologies instead of 2, this is based on the fact that a golden age is a fixed number of turns.

But this thread isnt about that, its about some civs being able to build the spaceship in half the time.

That depends on how you play, you could boost your science in the beginning with building some roads around your cities before you get into war with anyone and trigger the GA. Also the number of bulbs it took for an advance to be invented depended on what year it started, and how many advances you had invented before.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by DonJoel


Do you really think that golden age will be so special that it will give any big benefit?

I dont. But i think that if some civs can use it when they build thier spaceship they game will get very unbalanced.

I said it was better to have it trigged by the building of the Apollo Program then by he unit.

And also don't you think that they would need to use their UUs before they have invented Space Flight?

[DonJoel]

And also don't you think that they would need to use their UUs before they have invented Space Flight?

Nope. As for the americans i would guess the f-15 comes almost at the same time as you invent space flight. And what says that you cant be in peace if you are some other civilization?

I dont really know what apollo program do except enabling the space race, but the problem is still there.

[SSBLoveU]

It is almost October

The development of the space program is one thing to look forward to . . .

[Inverse Icarus]

IIRC, a golden age only increases TRADE, not production...

[PGM]

Originally posted by UberKruX
IIRC, a golden age only increases TRADE, not production...

Actually, "during a 'golden age', all worked tiles in your empire contribute one additional trade and shield per turn".
It's quite a civilizational boost.

[Akron]

.... Don Joel, you got a really good point there. How about making the golden age happen whenever you either build the UU or get the technology for it? Both elimate the need to unecessarily make war to have the golden age, but the latter is better since it prevents the player from delaying production. The only problem is that civs with early UU would have their golden ages start maybe 10 turns into the game (or at the start for the Aztecs)..... this is what i feared about UUs all the time, that they would unbalance the game.