Holy S***! NO Multiplayer Until Spring!

[Rasputin]

Protestors Picket Firaxis Office

I would be outisde their offices right now if it wasnt for the fact I live down under, hopefully our American Colleagues will be manning the picket lines as we speak and DEMAND a MP version be released immediatly....

I thought it was bad enough Austrlaia not getting the game at same time as US of A , but now this on top of everything else... !!!!!


Lets Vote with our money (or lack of it for Firaxis)

[OzzyKP]

My Letter to Firaxis

I just heard that Civ3 will be released without multiplayer. I am VERY UPSET. You promised revolutionary multiplayer features in this game. Was that revolution the fact that this game won't have any features!?

Many people are upset over this, don't you dare try to sell us a half finished game, and then make us pay again for the other half. You did it with civ2, but things have changed now. When you anger the fans now they have other means of getting the game.

If you are honestly trying to stick us twice for a game that should be complete when you first sell it we will just not buy it and download it online. I haven't bought a game in quite a while, but I thought for Civ3 it'd be worth it. Now i'm changing my mind.

Your great games created some great fans- don't piss them off.

[Rasputin]

Good idea Ozzy... lets get a list of Firaxis Emails and get all MPers to write to them expressing our disgust with this decision ?!!!!!

[EyesOfNight]

I don't know about you guys, but I will be downloading the game. And even though it will only be single player I am going to download the game. Then I will download MP too. Why waste the money? And if I'm really pissed off enough I will send firaxis a copy of my downloaded game so they know I won't pay money for their **** any longer.

[Rasputin]

I will pay for it if it is a Full MP game not jsut an add on... but if they expect me to pay twice after already buying civ2 twice NO WAY !!!!!

[markusf]

damn straight. I am sure a good many people know how to get games online. I for one will be downloading civ3. No point in wasting money buying a substandard game.

[Rhysie]

People saying they are going to download it just because it doesn't have MP support are cheap idiots.

If it isn't worth buying because of that, why is it worth stealing? At least if you are going to steal it have a decent reason. If you were going to buy it with MP, but you won't with SP, then don't download it with SP, just wait until it comes out as MP, then either buy it or think up a better reason to download it.

Or just admit that you're going to download it because you are cheap and have such a big ego that you think you have a divine right to own everything, and if something isn't totally perfect you think you have a divine right to own it for free.

Don't use this issue as a cover up to hide your low morality.

[tniem]

yin I had forgotten that part of your review. As always right on!

I just hope that you weren't the one that gave Firaxis/Infogrames the idea not to have MP

And everyone, I don't necessarily think its Firaxis' fault after all they could just release MP as is and try to patch it for months. It instead is Infogrames that has pushed this game far more than it should have been. It isn't ready yet they will push it on us anyways. That is who we should be mad at the most.

[d_dudy]

quit whining! i always thought civ was a great solitary game. mp is sloooooow. besides, where you planning to play mp right when you got it? i would think you would all like to play the game by yourself for ahwhile. maybe 6 months is a while to wait but i don't think it's that big of a deal

edit:yet another typo

[CyberbugFredrik]

Naturally I would really prefer having multiplayer right away, but if they make the decision that they need to postpone the release of MP I think that is ok. Then I can play single player and get really good at the game while I'm waiting for multiplayer.

I do hope they would at least include the possibility to play LAN-games and HOTSEAT-games while we await the Internet multiplayer though.
But again...if it is absolutely necessary, and will improve other aspects of the game, I am prepared to wait confident that I will be able to play multiplayer games later on.

[squid]

Comments

Comments

1) The turing test idea is really awesome, btw! I'm
a Computer Science grad and that sort of challenge
would have tempted me to take your class (I hated
Philosophy in college).

2) The turing test doesn't really prove the other being
is intelligent. In Civ3, the AI will know how to play
yes, but it will not really learn. A true turing test involves
something more flexible...usually a conversation or
passing type written messages back and forth. Here, too,
a computer can seem to be intelligent by searching for
words, being general, changing the subject, and introducing
human-like idioms and spelling errors

3) If Civ3 doesn' t have multiplayer AT ALL, I'll be cool with it.
I can see playing a few turns every day, but how long would
that take? How long would a game take? It sounds very
nice (to get a novel opponent), I just think it would take
forever. Would you agree with your group to play X moves
a night? How many seconds per move? A play-by-email
game might take three months!

[Makeo]

i'd play sp maybe once and then go straight to mp. the mp experience is ten times as good as sp. i won't be buying it without mp

[korn469]

i think you're missing the point

like i said i have a bad internet connection and i don't have the time to play PBEM but not including a standard feature in strategy games isn't the main point...there is a pattern developing with civ3

*no time to break the 8 civ limit that has been in the game since civ1 (you can add more civs but it is unsupported and probably unplayable)
*no time for a demo
*no time for an open beta (Jeff Morris was the one who originally said he'd like to have an open beta)
*no time to add Multiplayer (if this turns out to be true, it could be a hoax or a misunderstanding)

so does this mean we will learn a few more things about SP civ3?

*no time to ensure system compatability or general stability?
*no time to develop the AI?
*no time to ensure play balance?

that is what worries me about civ3...if i do become an early adopter then i will assume that firaxis didn't have time for any of those three either, and probably wont have the inclination or time to properly fix them

i feel like MP is just another canary in the coal mine that died, and many of you in here are telling me the reason that it died is because the air is too good (ie the argument that SP has been perfected and they are now turning their attention to perfecting MP and wouldn't bother us will bland features like hotseat, lan, PBEM and internet play), and not because we're about to run into some very bad air (ie that SP will be rushed and not live up to its potential)

i honestly don't think that firaxis wants to make a rushed half-a$$ product but i think that infogrames NEEDS sells in the fourth quarter...the recently posted a loss, and they need a hit

the ideas presented in civ3 so far sound excellent, but it's the implementation of those ideas that is key...i don't doubt that firaxis has alot of good ideas...but will they have time to make sure they all work?

we haven't heard anything official from firaxis about the AI...will it be the next thing that will be coming out in May?

[Rasputin]

Patch for free of Pay for it ???

That is the main issue i beleive. If they are simply rusihing out the SP game and then will freely distribute the MP patch I will be half sated, but would prefer it all up front, but would prefer it to of course be a fully functioing MP game not a add on like Civ2 MPGE... Civ2 MP has too many "bugs" in it becuase iot was added in later not from start.. Civ 3 was promised to have MP as an integral part...

[reds4ever]

i believe i hace a solution to the download or not to download conumdrum,

download civ 3 SP for free, then buy the MP edition when it comes out,

my only concern about the game is, if they've had to cut a massive part of the game due to time constaints, what else have they had to skimp on? it can't have been a simple case of dropping the MP module and BINGO! were back on time.