Holy S***! NO Multiplayer Until Spring!

[dexter4dxm]

Re: Re: My Letter to Firaxis

there is no difference. if what he said is true, civ3 will be released without multiplayer . that has nothing to do with whether it will be added on later, it just means that it won't be included in the initial release, which is a complete dissapointment because of what Firaxis has been saying since the beginning

[Rasputin]

Re: Re: My Letter to Firaxis

Originally posted by Ralf


They have only postponed it. Theres a difference.
They add it later together with the expected expansion-pack instead.

providing this later release is free (which i higlhy doubt) that may be fine.. If they charge for the MP patch I will DL it !!! I make no bones aobut that.. I wont pay for the game twice !!!! How would you feel if they released a MP only game and then later on released an Expansion pack allowing SP play (unrealisticx I know) But you hav eto pay for it!!!

[Ralf]

Originally posted by Rasputin
providing this later release is free (which i higlhy doubt) that may be fine.. If they charge for the MP patch I will DL it !!!

You only get bug-patches with minor gameplay-adjustments added downloadable for free. A complicated feature like MP will obviously be bundled together with the reduced price Civ-3 expansion-pack.

I wont pay for the game twice !!!!

Pay twice? What do you mean? You pay a reduced price for a great Civ-3 expansion-pack with all kinds of cool stuff, where complete multiplayer-support is only one added feature amongst other things.

If your planning to pirate yourself a copy, at least constrict yourself to the expansion-pack. You DO at least want to "pay once", do you? At least that. I would highly recommend to pay both the main game and the expected expansion-pack as fully legal copies. Otherwise theres no incentive for them to add anything.

[reds4ever]

i'm going to download one or the other, but i will be buying a copy and i think thats fair enuf! there is no chance the MP expansion will be free, so F*&k 'em! i don't understand why they feel the need to rush the game out for christmas, it's not like Civ depends on impulse shoppers, people have been waiting for 6 years for this game, theres a commited community, sales don't depend on o load of spotty 8 year olds going "gee mom, that looks neat! can i have it for christmas?"

[tniem]

Originally posted by reds4ever
it's not like Civ depends on impulse shoppers, people have been waiting for 6 years for this game, theres a commited community, sales don't depend on o load of spotty 8 year olds going "gee mom, that looks neat! can i have it for christmas?"

Agreed. Had they waited for spring they would have had the market to themselves and WarCraft III. So they beat WarCraft one week when all of ACS go out and buy it and the talk of the industry is Sid. The buzz will generate and next Christmas it will still be a hot seller. I guess though Infogrames stock holders are more important than us. Ah the corporate world

[Leonidas]

If this is true, then it sounds like the game is being "rushed" to meet a deadline date, rather than it being polished to include all the "extras", one would expect in a strategy game of this type.

A chill runs down my back every time I hear a game is being released on a certain date because of a deadline.

What else will be missing from this game? What type of bugs are we likely to encounter? I for one am tired of downloading patch after patch for a game, that should have been made to work properly in the first place.

Who's going to pay full price for the Special Edition now that we have suspicions about it missing some game features?

The more I hear about this game, the more worried I become.

[Nemo]

Originally posted by Rhysie
People saying they are going to download it just because it doesn't have MP support are cheap idiots.

If someone d/l's it with intent on buying it when MP comes out I think that that is not being cheap, but a want to not get ripped off and have to buy the SP 2 times. If there is no intent on buying it, then I agree that they are cheep idiots

Originally posted by Rhysie
Don't use this issue as a cover up to hide your low morality.

If a company purposely leaves a critical aspect of a product out with intent to make more money at a later time, then who really has the low morality? In times like this I think that the companies who cry out "they infringed our copyrights ..blah, blah, blah, by downloading a warez" are only being hypocritical, because they do not see the rights their customers have...the right to not be conned, to not be ripped off, the right to not have their hard earned money taken from them twice for the same product.

Imagine if you paid for a fully loaded car, only to get a stripped down model, and have the dealer tell you, "you can get all the extras in 6 months, we just didn't have time to put them in right now. we are too busy" then in 6 months you go back and they say "oh, yeah, you'll have to buy a whole new car of the same make and model, but this time we'll give you the extras." I will guarantee that if this happened, car vandalism would sky rocket, too! People don't like being conned out of their hard earned money, the government already does it once each pay check So, if this gamed gets its profits cut due to warez, I think they have Infograms' marketing department to thank for it. And I would feel bad for Firaxis for picking the wrong publisher, a publisher which seems to have shafted them on their reputation for producing quality games.

If MP is truly being released separately, then I will only blame Infograms, they are the decision makers here. And Firaxis should think about their reputation (so far, it's good) next time they pick a publisher.

[ProfessorPhobos]

Let's think about Firaxis for a moment. They have stated that they feel the Single Player component of the game is finished, and it's pretty darn good. So for the sake of argument, let's assume that's true.

Now, this rumor says that Firaxis might not have full multiplayer support ready by their Infogames deadline, probably forcing them to release it later in an expansion pack. (Certainly containing extra goodies to make up for the extra money)

Now, let's say Firaxis does what the screaming in this forum suggests- and keeps the incomplete multiplayer in the first release. Now they are damned by complaints anyway- you'll ***** and moan about the crappy multiplayer.(Which probably means "Online play", not PBEM or Hotseat.)

So they can either release a working multiplayer later, with lots of extra goodies to soften the blow, or a non-working multiplayer at first, thus slamming them with accusations of "incompleteness."

Reviews will be harder on games with bad multiplayer than with games without multiplayer at all.(Again, this probably means online play. PBEM shouldn't be affected, I think.)

Personally, I'd rather wait for working multiplayer+extra goodies, than get a game with good singleplayer+terrible multiplayer+no extra goodies.

[lockstep]

I posted this already in another thread, it´s a quote from civfanatics.com (September 8):

'According to Jeff Vitous of WarGamer.com, an Infogrames representive told him that Firaxis didn't start working on multiplayer until early August.'

[dainbramaged13]

Originally posted by reds4ever
it's not like Civ depends on impulse shoppers, people have been waiting for 6 years for this game, theres a commited community, sales don't depend on o load of spotty 8 year olds going "gee mom, that looks neat! can i have it for christmas?"

thats how i got civ2! of course i was 10, but...

If a company purpos++++leaves a critical aspect of a product out with intent to make more money at a later time, then who really has the low morality?

DO you really think firaxis/infogrames is doing it ON PURPOSE!?!

I think firaxis had the deadline, so they made a desicion at some point that they couldn't finish both parts by the deadline in full, so they decided to make SP complete by the deadline, and release multiplayer later, also complete, instead of releasing a half-baked/incomplete version of both on the deadline. The option was NOT there for them to release both at a later date.

Another thing, kind of related to the above staement, is that while everyone here at apolyton and other gaming sites love to trash deadlines, they are important in the world of business, finance, and economics, and you really cant be so selfish as to ask firaxis to follow your orders as opposed to their bosses.

Also, i think that the points I am making have already been made a thousand times, in slightly different ways, and the same thing for the points those opposed to me. We just keeping being lured to pressing that 'reply' button one more time because we believe were going to change someones mind. And so far, i havent seen anyones mind changed. so essentially, after the first page of presenting opinions and backing each other up, this thread is useless. I feel like im reading the same thing over and over again.

just my $0.02

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Polite request to Firaxis.

Finish the ****er before you sell it. Thank you.

[ProfessorPhobos]

<<<,Polite request to Firaxis.

Finish the ****er before you sell it. Thank you.>>>>>




Sorry, but Firaxis isn't selling Civiliazation 3. Infogames is. And Infogames is going to sell it when Infogames wants to sell it, even if Firaxis isn't ready.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by d_dudy
quit whining! i always thought civ was a great solitary game. mp is sloooooow. besides, where you planning to play mp right when you got it? i would think you would all like to play the game by yourself for ahwhile. maybe 6 months is a while to wait but i don't think it's that big of a deal

edit:yet another typo

actually, my first game is planmned to be a MP game...

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Doesn't this sound familiar:
a. First there was Civilization - then CIVNET.
b. Then there was Civilization II - Then CivII Multiplayer Gold Edition (MGE).
c. Now it looks like there will be CivIII, and aprox. 6 months later, what? CivIII Multiplayer?

So true, they have always been working on multiplayer before, but it is not finished by the time the game is. Take both Civ2 and Colonization (yes Colonization) for example. I know there is no Colonization Multiplater edition, but the fact is that if you check the text-files containing the menus of Colonization it includes a Multiplayer start menu, just as original Civ2.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Cheers, Phobos. It's always refreshing to encounter people who aren't afraid to exercise their pedantry within seconds of joining.

Feel free to substitute "Infogames" where appropriate.