Two tanks, one musketmen, one knight?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Shiva
One more thing. The reason Britain carpet bombed at night was because of "Bomber" Harris and his idea that a nation would surrender just because air bombardment. Maybe he should have taken a good look at at how his country held up under it. Terror bombing never worked. Harris went after cities because he wanted to go after the cities not because of the lack of a bombsite (and that bombsite was wayyyyyyy overrated anyways).

The reason they Brits went to night time bombing was because they got shot out of the sky during the day, as happened to the Americans. It was not until the development of long range escorts that day time bombing became effective.

[Tingkai]

Re: yanks in normandy

That bit in Private Ryan pissed me off too. It's been 50 years and the Americans are still taking potshots at the British. Too many Americans like overlooking the fact that the Brits and Canadians were pitted against elite German units while the Americans were fight second-line units.

And the American breakout on the right flank was part of a larger strategy, the Canadians and the Brits were tying the Germans done in the centre and on the left while the Americans make a brilliant and quick enveloping move. Teamwork rather than individual nations doing more than the other.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Tingkai


The reason they Brits went to night time bombing was because they got shot out of the sky during the day, as happened to the Americans. It was not until the development of long range escorts that day time bombing became effective.

Yes thats the reason for the night bombing not for the carpet bombing.

Also I have to take issue with "day time bombing became effective". Daytime bombing never was "effective" in anything other than destroying the german airforce in battle. Neither daylight or night time bombing crippled production (except the oilfield raids). Otherwise it was a bust on the grand level. On the tactical level it was a great victory since it allowed allied ground support to to fly almost unopposed.

[jsw363]

Mercator-

I am definitely in agreement about the pre-modern world. I don't enjoy teh game as much when there isn't anyhting to work towards. The middle of the game is always the most exciting for me since you're somewhat developed, but you haven't finished discovering everything yet.

Wish that there was more variety in the premodern units as well. Don't know what the pre rifleman unit would be though...

[Rommel393]

Ok, i was horribly wrong. The story I told was true, but why did I think the Tiger was Soviet? I do know a lot about WW2, even though what I typed about the Tiger was really screwed up..... its especially bad because of my name. I should know this stuff. Sorry. Thanks, executor (i think it was you im to lazy to look), for giving me proof that I was wrong.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Rommel393
Ok, i was horribly wrong. The story I told was true, but why did I think the Tiger was Soviet? I do know a lot about WW2, even though what I typed about the Tiger was really screwed up..... its especially bad because of my name. I should know this stuff. Sorry. Thanks, executor (i think it was you im to lazy to look), for giving me proof that I was wrong.

Well Mr. Rommel I will not let you go down in flames.
The US Tanks dept. had a guy name Mr. Christie, who love to design tanks.
Mr. Christie design the BT-5 and the BT-7 and since the US did not want them, 2 Chassis were bought by the Russian. If I could show you the picture that I'm looking at you could see were the T-34 may have come from. And that is what I believed the Russian did. They took these 2 chassis and said to themself let's change this, add something here, make this bigger or smaller and now we have the T-34.
Another note. Yes the Tiger was German. They had two, Tiger I (PzKw VI) and Tiger II (Know as King Tiger PzKw VII).
The Panter (PzKw V) was design after the German capture a T-34.
I also think that maybe the German started to build the E-100 and Maus after captureing the KV-II.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Tingkai


What unit would you suggest? Historically, the musketeer of the Napoleanic wars develops into the rifleman of the American civil war.

Two types of musketeer. Better weapons, better tactics create a much more effective force in Napoleonic (or Wellingtonian )infantry than even the Roundheads...

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by joseph1944

Well Mr. Rommel I will not let you go down in flames.
The US Tanks dept. had a guy name Mr. Christie, who love to design tanks.
Mr. Christie design the BT-5 and the BT-7 and since the US did not want them, 2 Chassis were bought by the Russian. If I could show you the picture that I'm looking at you could see were the T-34 may have come from. And that is what I believed the Russian did. They took these 2 chassis and said to themself let's change this, add something here, make this bigger or smaller and now we have the T-34.
Another note. Yes the Tiger was German. They had two, Tiger I (PzKw VI) and Tiger II (Know as King Tiger PzKw VII).
The Panter (PzKw V) was design after the German capture a T-34.
I also think that maybe the German started to build the E-100 and Maus after captureing the KV-II.

That's interesting. I was under the mistaken belief that Christie was a Brit. I didn't realize he was American. The fact that he was makes it even more mind-boggling that the Americans failed to use his designs, and as a result, ended up with inferior AFVs while the Russians, Brits and Germans all created tanks based on his suspension system.

Interesting to note that the Russians were able to create the best tank of the war using the initial Christie design as a distant starting point while the Brits, starting from a similar point, failed to create a great tank.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by joseph1944

Well Mr. Rommel I will not let you go down in flames.
The US Tanks dept. had a guy name Mr. Christie, who love to design tanks.
Mr. Christie design the BT-5 and the BT-7 and since the US did not want them, 2 Chassis were bought by the Russian. If I could show you the picture that I'm looking at you could see were the T-34 may have come from. And that is what I believed the Russian did. They took these 2 chassis and said to themself let's change this, add something here, make this bigger or smaller and now we have the T-34.
Another note. Yes the Tiger was German. They had two, Tiger I (PzKw VI) and Tiger II (Know as King Tiger PzKw VII).
The Panter (PzKw V) was design after the German capture a T-34.
I also think that maybe the German started to build the E-100 and Maus after captureing the KV-II.

Argh!!!!!

still not getting the Tigers' names right.

King Tiger was PzKw VIb
Tiger was PzKw VIe

Jon Miller

[dainbramaged13]

i think its crazy how much some of you know (and in some cases, pretend to know) about wwii. its insane... are you all, like professors of modern warfare or something? or is this place just a hotbed of extreme history/war buffs

[Col Bigspear]

Well i'm 16 now and I have been reading about WW2 and post/pre WW2 wars for about 10 years now, ever since my British Grandfather told me that the war started when Nazi Germany invaded POLAND. POLAND that was the clincher (My fathers side of the family being Polish. My Grandfather on my fathers side served in Poland and Italy (I still have his medals including his Monte Cassino medal. Though in his picture he has 6 and I have 4, I remember my cousin asking for one, but i'm not sure and I don't want to accuse him of stealing it or the other one. ) with the Polish 2nd Corps. After that I just kept reading and playing games about it. My friends call me a War Buff but it interests me all the same.It only really helped for about 3 months in History classes .
BTW History is a load of arse in high school, 1 month WW1 and causes, 4 months Weimar Republic/ Hitlers rise to power/Nazi Germany, 4 America in the 1920's-1930's?????? (Ok wall street crash leads to Hyperinflation around the world=the Grt depression (sounds like what I had when learning about it ).But 4 months come on! and less than a month on WW2 and the Cold War!!!!!!!!!???????????!!!
There needs to be a revision on what is taught in schools these days.
One of the History teachers once came into our room once ( I was in the top set, Band 1, Set1 ) and asked our teacher the History head if he should teach his class about Korea, because it was on the sylabus(?, never was any good at spelling) and Im there thinking YES im probably the only one in here that Knows anything about it. But no he says, "Its never on the test" How can you leave out one of the largest Post-WW2 wars invloving the newly formed NATO and the Soviet forces, it very nearly was WW3. Pfhh Schools.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Col Bigspear

BTW History is a load of arse in high school ...

There is more to history then blowing people up with Artillery. I think it is good that they don't focus so much on wars. Besides, if they where to go into depth about every war, you'd die of old age before the course is over.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by dainbramaged13
i think its crazy how much some of you know (and in some cases, pretend to know) about wwii. its insane... are you all, like professors of modern warfare or something? or is this place just a hotbed of extreme history/war buffs

I bet they watched Saving Private Ryan, what better qualification's could you possibly need?

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


Argh!!!!!

still not getting the Tigers' names right.

King Tiger was PzKw VIb
Tiger was PzKw VIe

Jon Miller

Ok I forgot for a while.
The King Tiger was/is the PzKpfw VI Ausf B w/Henschel turret. 500 being built. 50 of these Tiger II were fitted with the Porsche Turret.
This tank used the 8.8cm L/71 (3.46in) Gun. It could penetrate 215 mm (8.46in) of armour at 1000m (1096.3 yd) and 80mm (3.14in) at 4000m (4374.45 yds (2.48mi)).

[Col Bigspear]

I didn't mean it like that, I just meant that due to the scale of WW2, we did very little work on it. I don't just want to learn about Wars, I was very interested in the Roman Empire, the rise of Hitler, England in the 1600's, King Henry VIII, The Industrial Revolution and the Victorian era. But in what centuary has there not been a war?
After the Roman empire Europe was in flames, barbarians and what not, Feudal times (1066-1200's) 1066 Norman Invasion of England, Feudal government installed, local lords were responsible for their piece of land.Later on a whole lot of trouble between France and England (They win a war, we start a war and win, they start a war and win etc.)
The Crusades (1100's-1300's) Two centuaries of war against the Arabs.
Columbus (1490's (?)) Discovers the American Continent, Spain stars a war with natives, England, France and Holland follow and do the same.
Napoleonic wars (1790's-1815) 15 years + of war
Colonial times (1800's-1900's) Various wars, American War of Independence during or before the Napoleonic wars. America drives the natives out. England fights in the Zulu wars and other colonial conflicts.
American civil war (1870's-1880's)
WW1 (1914-1918) The war to end all wars.
Polish-Soviet war (1920) The new soviet army tries to take land from Poland, Poland take alot from Russia.
WW2 (1939-1945) Russia takes land back from Poland, nearly every country in Europe at war.
Korean war (1950-1955) First superpower war after WW2
Vietnam war (1963(?)-1975) Yanks trying to stop "Commies"

Etc..