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[Father Beast]

Culture victory, Domination Victory, and the OCC

I imagine that playing with culture and domination victories on while doing an OCC would get in your way.

scenario 1: you are working your way toward your AC spaceship, you build apollo, and a few turns later win by cultural victory as your mighty city reaches cultural majesty. forget the spaceship.

scenario 2: you are building a great city, with the help of a couple of small allies nearby, when somebody conquers 2/3 of the world, rendering you and your scientific superiority irrelevant.

You could always play with one or two of those turned off, I guess.

[Quarthinos]

Just to chime in here about wonders. When I was at GenCon, there was a demo. He went into the editor (which was obviously NOT a final products), and you can set cultures (when the AI has them) to build either small or regular wonders or both, or none. Only two tiers mentioned. I think he said spies cannot be built at all until you build CIA HQ, a small wonder...

[donarumo]

Images and Stuff

For those that will not get this magazine, there are some great images of Lincoln through the ages.

(spoiler follows?) It looks like the leader's clothes and the background will both change depending on which of the four ages you will be in.

It should also be noted that the article talks about some Civ specific units that may not have been mentioned before (France?) and the exact number of cultural points needed for a win and for expansion.

[Provost Harrison]

France has the musketeer, I know that much...one of the reasons, combined with their attributes why France is probably going to be my nation of choice

About borders, there is no mention that this refers to the whole civilisation or just an individual city here? Well who knows...we will have to see in due course...

[Colonel Kraken]

Originally posted by Falconius

And just so Computer Games Mag doesn't sue me for quoting the article before general release, I'd like to point out that they are the greatest Computer Games Review/Preview Mag on the planet and I plan on renewing my two year old subscription again and again until I'm to feeble to handle a mouse!

By the way, thanks for the info, Falconius.

[lockstep]

The amount you need to grow your borders increase by a factor of 10 each time, so they won't expand again until you accumulate 100 culture points, and then after that 1,000, and then 10,000, then 100,000, at which point you win the game via a Culture Victory.

While I don´t like it, the combination of accumulated culture points and eventual Culture Victory sounds like a reference to the whole civilization to me. Anyway, we will see ...

[Guildenstern]

Re: Culture victory, Domination Victory, and the OCC

Originally posted by Father Beast
I imagine that playing with culture and domination victories on while doing an OCC would get in your way.

You could always play with one or two of those turned off, I guess.

I think it will be like in SMAC where you can check off which victories you want. I'm sure that this and many more scenarios will be posted before the new year begins...

[TechWins]

Small Wonders are only limited to one per tribe."

That wasn't originally mentioned so I figure there were now minor, small, and major wonders. But this clears everything up now.

I think it will be like in SMAC where you can check off which victories you want.

Of course it will be this way, just go look at some of the screenshots. Actually you only need to look at one particular screenshot.

Culture Victory sounds like a reference to the whole civilization to me

I happen to disagree and hopefully I"m right because the individual city way is better on so many levels.

[dainbramaged13]

Originally posted by lockstep


While I don´t like it, the combination of accumulated culture points and eventual Culture Victory sounds like a reference to the whole civilization to me. Anyway, we will see ...

well, maybe the cities could accumulate culture points all in one place for end-game and maybe other pruposes, but i really doubt that borders are based on a collective civ-border because it make so much more sense if theyre individual city-borders that connect. To clarify, I will give an example. Say you have a great culure on one continent, and you build a small city on another continent, or maybe very far away from your capital, deep in soemone elses territory. YOu could have your 1 city stealing population from a 35 city nearby, if the 35-city wasn't very cultured, and that would make no sense at all. So, anyway, there are many other examples, as to why, but i have to go now, so i cant elaborate.

just my $0.02

[The diplomat]

The Minor Wonders look really really intriguing to me. They sound a little like a combination of Ctp2's Feats of Wonders and the Wonder of the Worlds. I especially like the idea that certain events will allow to build the Wonders and that every Civ can build them. I think they will complement the Major Wonders very well.

I wonder what "Heroic Epic" or the "IronWork" do.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by lockstep
While I don´t like it, the combination of accumulated culture points and eventual Culture Victory sounds like a reference to the whole civilization to me. Anyway, we will see ...

I think that each city's border size is directly related to the amount of culture that that city produces.

Proof at http://www.civ3.com/gallery.cfm , middle right, the cultural advisor screen.
Under influence, each city has either a 3 or a 4, and ive seen ones with 0, 1 and 2 before as well...

[Urban Ranger]

It seems to be that each city has it's own cultural influence, in addition to a civ's total culture. I have seen screenshots showing a newly built city with no border. The border slowly expands when cutural structures are added.

[Leonidas]

The game sounds like it's getting better and better.

I wonder if we'll see any modern screen shots?

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by The diplomat
The Minor Wonders look really really intriguing to me. They sound a little like a combination of Ctp2's Feats of Wonders and the Wonder of the Worlds. I especially like the idea that certain events will allow to build the Wonders and that every Civ can build them. I think they will complement the Major Wonders very well.

I wonder what "Heroic Epic" or the "IronWork" do.

I agree with you, Diplomat. Small wonders seems more "refreshing" than previously supposed. Good!

Just a guess:
"IronWork" can be a production enhancement (limited to that city)
while "Heroic Epic" let you produce "Civ game Box", making some content citizen happy and some unhappy after the third version of Civ you produce

No, seriusly, Epic can have effects on that city culture or on military status of unit produced (e.g. like a free "barrack")

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by dainbramaged13
I liked the city-individual borders a lot better, and realy theres no real evidence against them yet. i dont think

Yes, I agree. City individual borders is a great way to reproduce the "City state to Nation" evolution, a welcomed detail on history of "borders" (or their lack of) that was well evidenced on a S.Kroeze post many months ago.