It's official, No Civ3 Demo

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Zealot
P.S.- Did the spell checking. Lost more than five minutes with Naismith's quotes.

Oooops! You know, I'm using the light version of the forum form, so spell checking isn't an available option.
And I'm been very sick, too

Feel free to point out my english mistakes, anyone. This forum is the best english course I can take for free

[Kumiorava]

Originally posted by Leonidas
BTW, while we're on the subject: Does anyone know of any game that went on to become a winner, even though it had no demo?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no pre-release demo for Civ2 either. At least I never saw one back in '96 or when ever it came out . Some demos for it were released later though, at least for Mac...

[Father Beast]

Man, I wish there was a pre release demo. then we could all stop griping about the last iota of info they release to us and actually do some playing.

BTW, did somebocy say they found a demo for the AC add on? can they tell me where to find it? I need something to take my mind off waiting another 2 months for civ3.

I know in my heart it will be a great game, when I listen to it. but attending these forums gives me pessimism by osmosis

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Father Beast
BTW, did somebocy say they found a demo for the AC add on? can they tell me where to find it? I need something to take my mind off waiting another 2 months for civ3.

Sure! Go to official Alpha Centauri site, chose download area and there you are! (BTW, 23MB of download size ).

I know in my heart it will be a great game, when I listen to it. but attending these forums gives me pessimism by osmosis

Eh, eh. No, you are chilling down all the hot hype with a right dose of realism.

I'm not in business "against" Firaxis: I'm looking for a great game in change of my money, and I prefer a wonderful Civ III game worth the effort, than my money firmly in my pocket and nothing new to play on my PC

[Deathwalker]

I personally never wanted a Demo, I do not feel they add anything to the game as a hole. The only advantage is for people who are not sure of they want to get it. But in general especially for a game of this type I feel a demo would add nothing. :banned:

[Atahualpa]

Apparently I am the only person who feels this way, but I don't want there to be a demo. It'll just ruin the moment when they game is released and you will finally be able to play it, Instead, you will have already been playing a watered down version, and probably have gotten bored of it because of the lack of features and options in the demo, and you wouldn't be very excited about the game anymore.

Not to mention that demos are usually completely horrible and just give a bad impression of a game, especially with strategy games, where it is really difficult to limit the game and still have it being fun.

L O L
You know what, you are just afraid that you dont like the demo. But then why should you like the game? And you want to like the game alas you dont want there to be a demo.


If a game is fun, a demo will NOT drain feelings from the real game.
I played demo of Jagged Alliance 2 and it ROCKED!! And then when I grabbed the game it ROCKED too!
Bad Demo = Bad Game (most of the time).
If Civ3 Demo is bad I wont be buying Civ3. And thats exactly why they dont do a demo. This shows me that they have no trust in their own game to be a real true sequel to Civ2.
Or of course they are just lazy.

I will not buy Civ3 unless I have seen a demo of it. Buying something without a review of oneself has already taken a lot of money from me for games that ended up on my shelf.

But if you WILL WANT to like it (lol) then go on and say that you dont want a demo.

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[General Ludd]

Uhm, no.

I am not afraid that I won't like the game. As I have already said, it will ruin the experience of playing it for the first time, and depending on the quality of the demo, I may not be as excited about the game as I otherwise would be.

If I don't like the game when I get it, I'll return it like I do with the majority of ****y games that I buy. (though I sometimes foolishly keep it, hoping for a patch)

[vonManstein]

Originally posted by yin26

Once again, the general public is being shut-out by this decision [snip]

:cough:

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[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by vonManstein

"Thus, I am off the boards indefinitely. "

yin26

"indefinitely" doesn't mean "forever" AFAIK

Proabably just "for a few hours": more a drop down on daily post than an exile

"I can stop to smoke everytime I want: I had already stopped to smoke seven times today"

[The Rusty Gamer]

The danger of a demo...

The danger of a demo to developers is that it can be so good in itself that some won't feel the need to go out and buy the game since they can get that intial playing curiousity out of their system by playing the demo. And sometimes demos can put people off games.

How many got put off by the AC demo? I did intially but then changed my mind and decided the game was great. But it can be a dicey thing for developers.

Firaxis want us to pay and don't want to risk losing any money from a demo that will either be too good or will disappoint.

[Boracks]

If the game is something new then I would expect to see a demo. (Like SMAC)

If the game is continuing a series then I am not surprised if there isn't one. Also, given their tight timeline, I would rather they work on the game than produce a demo. Within that time frame, I don't think they have time for the feedback a demo would generate right now.

And we all know it would generate a LOT of feedback!

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


It's not a try to fit some comparate law system lesson , but... EU laws usually derive from a patwork of best law and legal practice over the european states. Then every parlament must (should?) make a national law to make EU laws valid into the country (my apologize to any professional if I'm writing wrong legal info, please correct me).

The legal system in Italy AFAIK haven't managed to introduce in Italy what you mention. So current rules are: prove the product defective for everyone (not doing what promisen in written words) and not for your system limit, and you can have your money back.

Consumer organization can help, but not so much (specially for a product as a game) and you must add that in Great Britain a court decision make a relevant "first time": get a succes and you are on the right way to have a "de facto" law extension.

In Italy a court decision only is applicable for that case, so next time any lawyer can read the "first time" sentence but never consider it as relevant for the new case.

Provost, it seems the Game producers never learn!

That's called shrinkwrap contract. By opening a box you accept a license and they gotta give you say 7 days to return if you are not happy with the terms of license contained inside.
EU law has been harmonized in the aspects of so called 'distance sales' so you might be better protected ordering through post and/or internet. I do not quite remember the refund period but it's either 7 or 30 days. In any case, it does not apply to CDs and software. Not sure about the games.
You do understand that a game is not a fridge or TV and that using it for 7 days is damn enough to get sick of 95 % of them. If there were no exclusion mentioned above, we would have a playtest heaven and gaming companies could just as well shut down.
Now what Admiral describes is a scenario of general breach of contract (buggy mess) so the question is the one of fact (is it really unfit for purpose and not as described - again 95% of the games really have hot air all over their back sides of the box) and the one of plausability (generally, you have no incentive to go to court in this case - too expensive and lengthy for 40 USD thingie) so a consumer arbitration body (if set up) is the only real recourse. Plus your purchasing power and a decision never to buy again from the bastards .


I have a question of my own - would C&B deliver limited edtion to an European addy?

[Adm.Naismith]

Great explanation LaRusso! Thanks

[MarkG]

Originally posted by LaRusso
I have a question of my own - would C&B deliver limited edtion to an European addy?

Chips&Bits delivers world-wide. I know yin had ordered from them from Korea(and it was delivered too! )

[yin26]

I have ordered close to 20 games to be delivered here in Korea and had NO problems! I highly recommend buying from them internationally (though some countries like the UK actually hold the game and charge you a tax or something, but Korea doesn't!).

Anyway, also remember: Click through the link here at Poly so a percentage goes to this site.