Civ3 Release Date! October 16!

[Ilkuul]

Originally posted by isaac brock
hey, the limited edition is great. not only does it have that sweet-ass cookie tin but it comes with the official strategy guide, a making of civ 3 cd, and a 15 dollars higher price tag...

HEY, WHERE DOES THIS INFORMATION COME FROM? Is it genuine, or just your sense of humour, isaac?!

I'd really like to know what the LE has over & above the SE. I looked at Chips&Bits, but it gave no info at all, just the price...

Can anyone give a LINK to a description of what's in the limited edition?

[CapTVK]

Foreboding.....

I have a strange sense of foreboding that this limited edition will be the only box release version and that the 'normal edition' will be released in one of those plastic DVD cases. This decision will be in the hands of Infogrammes btw. Firaxis won't be able to change this one iota.

And in that case there won't be a manual at all, damn.

[Patriqvium]

Re: Foreboding.....

Originally posted by CapTVK
I have a strange sense of foreboding that this limited edition will be the only box release version and that the 'normal edition' will be released in one of those plastic DVD cases. This decision will be in the hands of Infogrammes btw. Firaxis won't be able to change this one iota.

And in that case there won't be a manual at all, damn.

Well, at least Independence War 2 - Edge of Chaos (the sequel to the legendary space flight simulator Independence War aka I-War), which was published by Infogrames, had a DVD case and a paper manual stuffed inside it. The manual was not very large by the amount of pages, but a manual after all!

[Timtopia]

I think the special editon will be released first and then the normal game later. I honestly dont need a cookie tin so i went with the normal game. Software ETC says Civ III will be released Oct 31 where i live (games always take long to get to iowa for some reason, hello 3 million people live here) I got my copy reserved, How bout yourself?

[Mister Pleasant]

And in that case there won't be a manual at all, damn.

Awww, Boo-hoo! No "big chunky manual" like SMAC? You mean Infogrammes is going to save a tree and put it the needed info in a pdf file? Gee, my heart is just breaking. Sorry that an environmentally-sound alternative is being pursued. God forbid less paper be used in the world especially on a manual for a goddamned game that 90% of us will look at once and then toss on the floor never to be seen again.

But I guess some losers are just going to print the damn thing out anyway. And to make matters worse, those copies will be one-sided wasting even more paper. But I guess the people who do that are the same jerks who drive gass-guzzling high-emission SUVs then complain when the cost of gas goes up. Why don't you take the damn subway or streetcar!? Oh yeah, I forgot. All those idiots who bought personal automobiles moved to the suburbs, causing urban sprawl, and making viable mass transit next to impossible so you can't take the subway or the streetcar or the light rail. Add this to the fact that cities with few services (read buses only mass transit - and busses are a huge joke) can charge less taxes on companies. So companioes move there, drag the workforce with them, and the problem gets worse.

Here's my advice - ditch the SUV. And most importantly DON'T PRINT OUT THE DAMN PDF FILE. You say "but its inconvenient not to print it." So what! Don't kill a tree for your mere convenience, you big wimp. Tough it out a little bit.

[Rhysie]

If I cared that much about trees I wouldn't be buying a computer game at all, I'd be out planting forests and the like. For all you know the manuals are printed on paper from trees planted especially to be made into paper, in which case there are no environmental problems (And in fact there are environmental benefits, as it creates new forests on land which would otherwise be used for farming or the like). Personally I love to have a manual so that I can flick through it and carry it around whenever I can't actually play the game. My earlier civ manuals have been extremely well used, and not at all a waste of paper.

[Rhysie]

In addition, pdf manuals are next to useless when you are actually playing the game and want to look something up, especially in a non-windowed game like civ 3 will be.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh jeez, the true hugger has arrived

Frankly, I could care less. Give me a massive, tree-killing manual. I mean SMAC-sized, I mean Civ2-sized, I mean Baldur's Gate sized. I want a massive manual that I can peruse over as I play the game, daily, and enjoy reading from cover to cover. Give me a 500 page manual chock full of facts and history!

[Ilkuul]

PLEEEEEZE will someone tell me if we have any HARD INFO about what the limited edition contains -- or is it all speculation?!

Where do these statements come from, that only the LE will have a manual (or strategy guide), etc. etc.??

If there's NO MANUAL with the standard edition, this is nothing short of APPALLING, and I'll have no option but to buy the LE!

[isaac brock]

Originally posted by Grim Legacy


Is there any particular reason for your whining about that?

Judging from your stance, you will not fall for the 'marketing ploy', so why the heated message?

I was just explaining what I thought. I will feel less hardcore if I don't buy the limited edition, so, yes, I will buy it. I still think its worth it, even if it is a marketing ploy.

[Rhysie]

Originally posted by Ilkuul
PLEEEEEZE will someone tell me if we have any HARD INFO about what the limited edition contains -- or is it all speculation?!

There is a news item somewhere in the civ 3 news section (possibly archived by now?) which has a statement from someone at firaxis about the le including a tin, a manual, a making of civ3 cd, 'and other nice stuff'. There is no hard info that I am aware of about what the standard edition contains.

As an aside, the thing about the le including the strategy guide is completely speculation. There is no evidence for that (unless the 'manual' is the strategy guide, which I do not believe) and I think the price of the le would be more than the price of the normal + strat guide if it did include the strategy guide.

[General Ludd]

I don't doubt that the normal Civ3 package will contain, at the very least, a basic manual.

[Mister Pleasant]

For all you know the manuals are printed on paper from trees planted especially to be made into paper, in which case there are no environmental problems (And in fact there are environmental benefits, as it creates new forests on land which would otherwise be used for farming or the like).

Would be true except for one small fact - you still need a paper mill. Ever lived next to one? I have. That's one thing that made me a "tree-hugger".

I hope the standard edition comes in a DVD box (that's sound packaging BTW - no boxes to be thrown out because the container it comes in is the container you keep it in) with a pdf manual. That would be a bonus for me - I would purchase that version before the version with a tin and a dead tree manual. And I'm rewarded with a $15 savings for my enviromental prudence. Maybe I'll take my savings and buy some more plants.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Mister Pleasant


Would be true except for one small fact - you still need a paper mill. Ever lived next to one? I have. That's one thing that made me a "tree-hugger".

I doubt living next to a plastic factory would be any nicer.

[Ilkuul]

THE ANSWER?

I believe we may now have the answer to Ralf's original question ("Do ALL combat-units need access to resources?") -- in the latest Gamespy preview:

"In addition to required technologies, each unit has a requisite resource you must have or trade for before it can be built."

See http://www.gamespy.com/previews/august01/civ3.

Hmmm. Many of those resources better be pretty easy to come by...!