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**Kenobi** · August 6, 2001, 01:03

Re: List of units in Civ3 based on screen shots

Originally posted by korn469
*Gunpowder: Musketeer (french musketeer)

I think the "base" unit for gunpowder is "Musketman" - the French super-unit is "Musketeer".

**Miatezhnyi** · August 6, 2001, 02:15

The Firaxis Sight has shown these for quite a while, though no clues on the associated techs.
Modern Times: Tank (Panzer, German Special Unit)
Fighters
MiG -(Russian Special Unit ???)
F-15 American Special Unit

**To_Serve_Man** · August 6, 2001, 11:28

The Democracy unit looks like two units (a human 'floating' over a horse) but if you look at all the other units, they take up the same amount of space as those two together in Democracy do, leading me to believe that its really one unit. Maybe it has the option to dismount or something?

Whats up with Military Tradition... it sounds like someone couldn't think of a good name. That unit looks very snazy with laced boots. Could it be a 'Royal' Guard or something like that? It is Military Tradition.

Also, why is there a Big 'T' Orb in Engineering without the 'T'?

Is the Crown/Castle Tower icon in Construction in the Ancient tree represent the ability to build Fortresses by Workers/Settlers?

I also wonder about the colors of the techs. Originaly, I thought Blue was acquired knowledge,Tan/Yellow was available for research and the Tan/Brown was unavailable (prereq arent met yet). But thats all screwed up in the Anciet Tech tree shot. Bronze Working is Lime Green. Could that mean that that tech is the 'special' tech that gives a civ their unique unit. Why wouldn't Iron Working be Tan/Yellow? Maybe the player hasn't researched Bronze Working? I seem to be answering a lot of my own questions

**Solver** · August 6, 2001, 13:14

Good work Korn!
I think that the Democracy unit is a civilian, probably.
MiG is confirmed as a Russian UU.
As for Conquistadors, the conquistadors in Mexico were mounted.

*Iron Working: Swordmen {Legion}

Swordsmen are a unit available for all civs, after discovery of Iron Working, and you need to have a resource of Iron in order to produce those.
Legions are Roman UUs, that require Iron, just like the swordsmen.

Impi is not a warrior. It's an improved version of Spearmen (same parameters, but faster). Warrior represents Militia from the original civ, being the weakest unit in the game.

Mathematics still gives you Catapults, but that's no longer is such a big freaking gun it was.

Map Making gives you a small transport ship, which can't travel over oceans, way like original civ.

AFAIK, one of Magnetism units is a transport with average fighting capabilities.

UUs I know thus far:
Roman Legions
Japanese Samurai
American F-15s (fighter)
Russian MiG (fighter)
German Panzer (a stronger version of a Tank)
Zulu Impi, which is faster spearman
Viking Longships
French - Musketeer or Paladin
Greek - Hoplite

One I'm not sure of are the Mongols, but it appears to be their special-trained horse archer, Mangudai, acting as a destroyer.

**korn469** · August 6, 2001, 13:48

Solver

how can the impi be an improved version of the spearman when there is not a spearman in civ3? (at least the english version)

so are you implying that the impi is an improved phalanx or an improved pikeman?

if the democracy unit is a civilian then what unit could it possibly be? it looks like some dismounted cavlry unit to me...could it possibly be a caravan? i'm not sure

the reason that i put {Legion} in those brackets is to show that the romans do not have swordmen that they have legions which are improved swordmen both of which probably cost the same and require the same special resources to build

also samurai would more than likely be with swordmen too then

solver do you have any screen shots of the industrial age or modern age tech trees? besides previews have you seen any screen shots with those special units?

To_Serve_Man

i think that you are right that the crown looking thing represents the ability to build fortresses...so far it seems that the T in the red box is going to be the tech's picture (like in SMAC) and then the other T's represent buildings and wonders

**korn469** · August 14, 2001, 03:09

ok over the past few weeks there has been lots of new information surface so i thought it would be a good time to update my list

**tniem** · August 14, 2001, 03:27

Update the fact that the Babylonian special unit is the Mounted Bowmen which is a special unit of the archer.

**korn469** · August 14, 2001, 03:44

tniem

ok got it...i will update the industrial and modern ages tommorrow...also i bet that the egyptian unit will be a special chariot

the japanses will probably get a samurai...but would that replace the knight or the swordman?

the german panzer will probably be the early tank associated with motorized transport

as for the rest, i'm unsure

**Buck Birdseed** · August 14, 2001, 04:12

The impi is an improved Spearman. It's a new unit that has appeared in several screeshots. I think the Phalanx in the greek special unit, also an improved spearman.

**korn469** · August 14, 2001, 04:36

Snapcase

on the technology charts you only have the following non-mounted non-gunpowder infantry units

Warriors
Phalanx
Archers
Swordmen
Pikemen

there is no spearman unit, unless firaxis changed the name of the phalanx to spearman

from what i've read the greek special unit is a hoplite which is an upgraded phalanx unit

so are you saying the zulus are upgraded phalanxs too?

**Buck Birdseed** · August 14, 2001, 04:42

No, I'm saying that what you're percieving as a "Phalanx" is in fact a "Spearman", a unit which has appeared in half a dozen screenshots and whose existence is not in doubt. There is no evidence whatsoever for a "Hoplite" unit existing, therefore I conjecture that the "Phalanx" is the Greek special unit.

**korn469** · August 14, 2001, 04:48

i've seen those screen shots, it was one of the units on the old firax.com/civ3 right? along with the fighter and that looked like a phalanx to me, and it had the same tech as what a phalanx did in civ2 and most likely it will still be a 1-2-1 unit, so i wouldn't exactly call it new...but i will change it's name to spear man...

**Al'Kimiya** · August 14, 2001, 04:50

Originally posted by Snapcase
There is no evidence whatsoever for a "Hoplite" unit existing, therefore I conjecture that the "Phalanx" is the Greek special unit.

Actually, there was a screenshot (don't remember where) a few months ago with a greek city building Hoplites.

**Buck Birdseed** · August 14, 2001, 05:00

Not those ones, Korn. There was a Phalanx in one of those renders, but look at this screenshot: http://apolyton.net/civ3/images/view...Map_Screen.jpg

You will percieve that Hannover is building Spearmen. Also notice the unit that appears in both Berlin and Rome that clearly is not a Warrior or a Pikeman. Anyway, Firaxis has confirmed in one of the previews that the Impi was a Spearman with an extra movement point.

Okay, yes, I remember the greeks building hoplites. Therefore my new theory is that the Phalanx has been scrapped in favour of a Hoplite unit, which is the greek special unit.

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