Great Wall is way too powerful: change it like this

[Alexander's Horse]

Make it so Great Wall puts walls in all your cities BUT these walls are just normal walls that you can sell or can be brought down by sabotage.

In multiplayer against good opponents, building GW is game over. See this thread for details:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=375815#post375815

[Alex 14]

In Civ 3, you will be abel to actually place the Great Wall on to the map. The Great Wall will physicly stretch on the outside of several of your cities keeping civs away from your cities.

Source: Civ Fanatics

P.s: This will also apply to the Great Canal.

[Rasputin]

so does that mean you no longer get walls in each city, hmm interestign concept,, seems to me that GW wont be as valuable as itused to be if it only covers a few citys , just walk around the wall as in WW2 Maginot line

[Adm.Naismith]

If the Wall will be coast-to-coast, you must go around it by sea, I suppose.
I have no idea if it will enhance the owner defense in some other way. I agree it seems a main twist over Civ II Wonder feature. Let's hope it doesn't look floating over mountain as roads an rivers do in available screenshots

[Urban Ranger]

Yet more mindless "improvements" from the Horse.

[Alexander's Horse]

You should multiplay UR

I would love to make your civ bendover

Actually this thread was a minor troll on my Mp friends, who happen to be amongst the best civ players in the world.

[Rasputin]

thanks Horse ... oh !! you werent talking about me >???

[Provost Harrison]

I quite like the idea of the Great Wall and the fact that it will significantly hinder civs trying to cross it...

[JellyDonut]

In civ2, emissaries hesitate to declare war because of the Great Wall even after it expires!

[War4ever]

Horse.....would the walls move forward with the increasing size of your empire? after all, China's borders have changed significantly over the years

[tniem]

My problem with the Great Wall being used to keep enemies out is that the actual wall was found nearly impossible to do so.

The wall was so long that it was impossible for the Chinese empires to keep a large enough force on the wall to keep invaders out. Not only that since the wall is not complete, an invading army could simply walk around it.

I have heard that the practical use for the wall was to keep invaders in China. What would happen is if an invader lost a battle or even if he won and was returning home with bounty, a Chinese army could chase him down and catch him at the wall. At this point the army would have to turn and fight. Thus the wall kept people from invading based on the idea if you lost the battle you would have to fight again at the wall. Not necessarily something you wanted to do. And as such the Wall's forced peace treaties may not be that bad of a reward.

[Jeje2]

How about...

... making it possible to destoy anothers Secrect projets?
This way you just blow it off the map (and commit an atrocity)

It would be very interesting when one has to also protect the pyramids or the great Buddha statues.

[War4ever]

The main purpose of the Wall was to keep the people from leaving China, the fact that it could help militarily as well was secondary by design.

JeJe.... for blowing up secret projects , i am all for it but it better have an effect on the culture and not just on your rep

[Alex 14]

Hey is that a joke? Either way its damn funny.

[Dida]

Originally posted by tniem
My problem with the Great Wall being used to keep enemies out is that the actual wall was found nearly impossible to do so.

The wall was so long that it was impossible for the Chinese empires to keep a large enough force on the wall to keep invaders out. Not only that since the wall is not complete, an invading army could simply walk around it.

I have heard that the practical use for the wall was to keep invaders in China. What would happen is if an invader lost a battle or even if he won and was returning home with bounty, a Chinese army could chase him down and catch him at the wall. At this point the army would have to turn and fight. Thus the wall kept people from invading based on the idea if you lost the battle you would have to fight again at the wall. Not necessarily something you wanted to do. And as such the Wall's forced peace treaties may not be that bad of a reward.

It's impossible for any invader to walk around Great Wall, because it stretchs from the east coast all the way to the very west end of China.
Great Wall was built to keep invaders out, not in. no doubt about that.