Could/Should Civ2.5 be cancelled?

[SerapisIV]

I think that Firaxis actually learned something from Black&White and Westwood with the Red Alert2 and Dune games. Black&White was announced way too early and the hype was so much that the game couldn't possibly live up to the extended and impossibly high expectations. Westwood after getting burned on C&C Tiberian Sun didn't announce RedAlert2 or Dune: Emperor till about 6 months or so before release. That way people didn't have enough time to get their expectations sky high before they were released. Asides from the actual licensing announcements, Civ3 wasn't formally previewed until January, expecting late Fall release, now Firaxis (according to FGN) probably underestimated how much work was left and is stuck with an ealry 2002 release at the earliest. So they're attempting to tone down the press so that they don't burn out people with hype.

Here's another random thought, Blizzard and Firaxis (+ pre-Firaxis Sid Meier) both update they're game websites pretty minimally yet both are known for high quality games. I wouldn't put much weight into the lack of updates (although I'm wondering why Firaxis has a webmaster if the webpages are only updated once or twice a month, come on Dan that's an open challenge to update the webpage.)

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by SerapisIV
I think that Firaxis actually learned something from Black&White

what is this game B/W .. i keep hearing about it

[Mahdimael]

Black and White is less of a game and more of a social training ground. You play the role of a God who has a tribe of people to look over. The tribespeople give you magical power in return for you doing things for/to them, like watering their crops or fireballing them. You can be good or evil in your methods.

The real interesting thing in the game is the creatures. You have one creature who becomes your Avatar on the planet. This creature learns how to act by experimenting and by your guidance. The creature can learn to become good or evil as well.

It's an interesting game, but it can be frustrating and repetitive at times. If you have some extra cash lying around and a good system, you might as well give it a go.

[Lord_Davinator]

supposed to be a real cool game. haven't played it yet so can't say. I've heard a lot about it every where I go(online that is)

[Lord_Davinator]

supposed to be a real cool game. If I remeber correctly is an RTS with a TBS basis or something like that. its like AOE from what I saw of the graphics, but not AOE in terms of units mind you.

Waiting to play it.

[ContradictioN]

All they are trying to do is make Civ3 a perfect Civ game, so that you can sit down and play it for another 5 years, except this time you won't get upset when your tank loses to a phalanx, etc.

They're just going to fix everything up and add a lot more fun.

If you were expecting a REVOLUTION in gaming, forget it. Sid wants to perfect Civ, not make another screwed up one, that looks good. Just like Diablo II was to Diablo.

For those of you who complain about things none of us know about. Why are you complaining!? Give Firaxis a break ah?
You sound as if everything you know nothing about is wrong. Now you see why I get annoyed with that attitude.

[Sabre2th]

Umm... What contradiction said....

[DarkCloud]

Well... Since Test of Time was Civ 2.5 (according to CyberShy)
... Civ 3 Might end up becoming Civ 2.75 and it's (sure to be) 10 addons will patch it up to Civ 3

[TechWins]

Civ3 will be Civ3 on it's date of release, believe it or not.

[TechWins]

I think one reason why people think they're only going to get a Civ2.5 is because of the fact they're looking for a Civ4 and they're only going to get a Civ3.

[Juggernaut]

i don´t care if i don´t get a totally new game. civ2 with improved grahix is just fine to me. i mean, there are worse games to build on...

[Rasputin]

well its too late now, if wee dont like it dont buy it

[joseph1944]

Re: Could/Should Civ2.5 be cancelled?

Originally posted by Jeje2
apolytoners (And we are the real fans), about what have been told about Civ3.

I strongly disagree with the above statements..
The Real Fans are the 3 to 4 million fans that will buy the game. Are we part of that group, yes we are.
Just because we do not have 60, 000 people posting each day, dose not mean that they are not real fans. I myself visited this site from time to time (4 to 6 Months) prior to becoming a member in Feb, of 2000. I know my profile said July of 2000, that because I change from CS. 4 to CS 6 and has to get a new Log on. And don't worried I do not have two log on.

[yin26]

Well, I'd say we are the 'hardcore fans,' whom can be safely ignored, of course, if all you want is money. Also, it's not always good policy to try to please the hardcore fans in every way since they'll just keep coming up with new stuff. However, NOT pleasing your hardcore base can have negative ripple effects far out of proportion to the number of actual hardcore fans.

[TechWins]

The Real Fans are the 3 to 4 million fans that will buy the game. Are we part of that group, yes we are.

Well, I'd say we are the 'hardcore fans

I'd agree with both of you. Everybody who plays Civ is a fan but the people who are here are the hardcore fans. As you two pointed out.

whom can be safely ignored, of course, if all you want is money. Also, it's not always good policy to try to please the hardcore fans in every way since they'll just keep coming up with new stuff. However, NOT pleasing your hardcore base can have negative ripple effects far out of proportion to the number of actual hardcore fans.

This reminds me of my favorite band, Metallica. At first, they were about playing there music for their fans. Then they got more and popular. The times of music were changing. So finally, they decided to go commercial by signing a new producer, Bob Rock, who produced records that were abou making the majority of music listeners like the albums not the true fans (the fans that were there from the beginning). Now all they're about is getting more and more money. My point is that Metallica (ala Firaxis) was a company trying to get their foot in the door at first now they're just about sucking out as much money as they can from their customers. I guess that's buisness.