captured cities

[Juggernaut]

then they should speak japanese in alaska. know why? north americas westernmost point!

and there we see how giving such arguments are...

[KrazyHorse]

Try again. I'm serious.

[KrazyHorse]

I'll give you another hint: the reason Brazilians speak Portuguese has a great deal to with the reason everybody else in South America speaks Spanish.

[Juggernaut]

don´t get your point, does people on the other sides of an ocean automatically speak the same language?

you don´t think it has to do with brazil being a former portugese colony? i would.

[KrazyHorse]

That's the obvious part...why was Brazil a Portuguese colony?

[Juggernaut]

like the most reasons i guess, i´m not an expert. exploatation, slaves etc.

that´s not the point here. the point is that when a civ invades another civ, the people automatically mix up. so even in this case.

[TechWins]

That's the obvious part...why was Brazil a Portuguese colony?

Oooh oooh oooh, I know. It was because of the Line of Demarcation. The Line of Demarcation was the line the Pope drew in 1493 to divide the world between Portugal and Spain. They could claim any unclaimed land that they didn't own on their side of the world. The Pope even later adjusted the line a little bit. Portugal had only a few regions on their side of the line in the Western hemisphere, one of those regions just happened to be Brazil. Ultimately they conquered the area and the people there learned Portugesse and not Spanish.

[KrazyHorse]

Jerk! I wanted to see how long I could string him along!

[TechWins]

Jerk! I wanted to see how long I could string him along

Hey sorry. He obviously didn't know. So I just said why it is that way.

[Juggernaut]

that´s irrelevant. sorry for not taking any history classes in high school. i blame it on my government, who had law-enforced us take religion instead. it´s true, damn christian-democrats

what we´re speaking about here, is whether the civs will mix and they will.

ha!

[AroSch]

Re: captured cities

Originally posted by uncle_funk
if you capture another civ´s city in civ 2, it goes civil disorder the first round, and after that it works normal again and might even become MORE happier than when it was before you invaded it! completely unrealistic.
i mean, one thing if the city´s original civ was a despotic disaster but anyway...

when you invade a city you should have a few options:

1) keep it under siege.
let the city´s pop become slaves and make a lot of money. should require lotsa military units.

2) try to assimilate the city to your own civ.
this should take a lot of time, and ABSOLUTELY NOT a single round! since a majority of the civ´s pop is another culture you should gave the option to start an "assimilate program" or something, investing money in entertainers and blending them with your own culture. after ie. 500 years, the people have forgotten their background, and the city is truely yours...

til then, the city´s original civ has the opportunity to affect it through spies and propaganda, making it remember it´s roots...

a factor should be the geographical distance. if invading a city on the other side of earth, it should be much more complicated to assimilate than if it was your neighbour civ.

the more the civ´s culture, government, religion is unlike your´s - the harder to convert them...

I agree with most of this. This topic has a lot to do with others once posted here: civil disorder and so on. I think in Civ3 there will be this "culture". And this could fixing some of the problems known in Civ2. Couldn´t it?

[Deathwalker]

I agree the captureing of cities needs to be imporved, but in the end if you keep a cities long enough they do no longer want to sperate from you, e.g Constansipole, is know very much a part of turkey, but only after a sutable time had passed.

[DarkCloud]

That sounds like a good addenum formula to decide how long the assimilation would take under normal proceedings. Good work in adding it to my base formula!

[art_vandelai]

Ideas for city takeover and multi-culturalism

Heres a few thoughts that could make the way conquering foreign cities and populations operates more interesting.

1. Each population point will have a nationality assigned to it. That nationality stays for the entire game.

2. As cities grow larger and more prosperous and better cultured, they will attract immigrants from other nations. Those immigrants would retain the nationality from which they came. The number of immigrants each country receives would be affected by such things as diplomatic status, peace (a civ that was constantly involved in wars would be more likely to have emigrants going to the other nations) and ease of transportation between the civ's.

To make it easier to handle, it may not be necessary to reduce the population by 1 in a foreign city for every 1 in a domestic city - a percentage of each civ's pop growth would be steered towards immigration, and once the pop growth that goes to your civ is enough to make an immigrant, that immigrant pops up in one of your cities, increasing pop and allowing more tiles to be worked and resources.

3. When making a settler, two of YOUR civ's pop points are removed.

4. When the ratio of foreign to domestic inhabitants of your city is higher, more unhappiness would be caused (unless you are in advanced governments that are tolerant of other cultures) and possibility of revolt to the original civ. Military will need to stay in a conquered city for a long time to keep it in your civ.

5. A civ could use genocide as a manner of reducing the foreign populations within their cities - incurring a severe immediate penalty in diplomacy and causing peaceful democratic nations to go to war with the genocidal civ, not to mention the original civ whos population abroad is getting killed off. All players would get a message (Player, The Chinese are commiting genocide against their American population - What action do you wish to take - WAR, end all trade, do nothing). Doing nothing would of course put your civ in a similar diplomatic position vis a vis the rest of the world.

6. Even if an empire is completely destroyed, the population they created is maintained, and if revolt occurs, the civ could be re-born.

7. You can move your domestic population from city to city by using settlers (again remembering the penalties for doing so as 2 pop points = 1 settler)

This has some huge advantages in the ideas to combat BAB and ICS as well. What do you all think?

[Juggernaut]

1. Each population point will have a nationality assigned to it. That nationality stays for the entire game.

already confirmed by Firaxis to be in Civ III.

5. A civ could use genocide as a manner of reducing the foreign populations within their cities - incurring a severe immediate penalty in diplomacy and causing peaceful democratic nations to go to war with the genocidal civ, not to mention the original civ whos population abroad is getting killed off. All players would get a message (Player, The Chinese are commiting genocide against their American population - What action do you wish to take - WAR, end all trade, do nothing). Doing nothing would of course put your civ in a similar diplomatic position vis a vis the rest of the world.

like that. should be one of the fastest way for a complete assimilation. i would use it all the time, when exterminating another civ. there is ofcourse a way to let them starve to accomplish this, but genocide is cooler and faster.