Communism and whatever else

[Juggernaut]

i aint crusading against an utopia. im pointing out how uneffective marxism has proven to be. and it is how communism has worked out in reality, not the utopia, that should represent the communism in Civ.

[Fidel]

oh jesus christ
you say you are libertarian
do you consider any of the western societies today to be really true?
how would you label them? i mean, really.....
do people in parliament really represent you?
do they speak for the 'people'?
is there a 'debate' in the society?
is decision-making transparent and objective?
as you see, an idea should not be confused with its practical execution

[DarkCloud]

A solution to whether Communism works:

Have 4 choices;

Real Communism (How it worked out in Russia,China)
Capitalist-Communism (Nowadays China) [Limited Free business but Communist ideals and programs]
Pure Communism (Marx's dream)
Socialism (Norway) [No one saves money; the government supports the old by taking all the young's money]

[Juggernaut]

´should there be 4 different Communism govs in Civ3?

[ancient]

hmm me and uf really disagree on communism/socialism..

[KoalaBear33]

Communism & Socialism

Communism is really an advanced form of socialism. 'The state' and 'the people' basically mean the same thing. I think socialism is just the thought of people performing actions that help each other (basically social ideals will be valued). Communism calls for more economic controls. In particular, under communism some body, say the state, must predict resource usage (socialism doesn't really require that resources be allocated)...

One other thing that people are confused about is money in socialism or communism. Having communism, for example, doesn't mean that money doesn't exist--it always will. What happens under socialism and communism is that money is not valued much. What is really valued under these systems is social principles, whereas under capitalism money is valued more than social ideals. For instance, under capitalism a person with more money is valued more than another (a rich person is valued more than a poor person); under socialism both should be the same.

In theory, communism is the most efficient. The fact you predict resource usage (ahead of time) and allocate production means that it is more efficient. The problem is that humans can't predict anything right now. We can't even predict the weather to a high degree of accuracy (I'm talking about 85%+ not your 50/50 predictions ).
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Back to Civilization ...

The thing is that I'm not sure if the game should be using the flawed communism of USSR or using the communism that the theory calls for. Regardless of which is used, I think the game should basically force you to pick one of these in later game and stick with it (ie. heavy penalty for switching between communism and capitalism).

KoalaBear33

[Fidel]

Originally posted by uncle_funk
´should there be 4 different Communism govs in Civ3?

nah, just one, involving ritual sacrifice of small children and satanistic sans-quilote rituals