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Here is your communism thread. Leave the barbarian thread for barbarian posts. Talk about whatever I don't care.
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However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N. -
if communism gov, you should earn the most money. i mean, u take all your people´s...
the bad sides should be trade, science, and happiness (everything else in other words)
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no. you swhould be able to make communism work.
cause it rules."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
- Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott CardComment
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who said it shouldn´t work? i just say it´s affection in civ is a little weird - you almost don´t get any money though you have 100% taxes...hmmm...Comment
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the civ2 team were anti communist i think it should not give you alot of tax money though because a communist system is a moneyless economyComment
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in communism, you make all production devices belong to the state. that means the state has total control over everything that is produced.
in which system do you think you can control most production?
i mean, if democracy in civ II is supposed to mean a mixed economic system, or a market economy, the only thing you should be able to build as a ruler, is military, hospitals and so on.
coz the other things is done by corporations and not by you, get it?Comment
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no in communism all means of production belong to the people who reap the benifits of their own labor, in socialism all production meathods are owned by the stateComment
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state = people
socialism and communism are almost the same, they´re all sprung from the marxism.
here in sweden we have socialism, we have have a socialdemocratic party as government, just like ie. UK. do all our production methods belong to the state then? no...infact, only about 27% of our GNP is stately. the rest 73% is PRIVATE.
but in Sovjet, everything was produced by the state. the whole point with communism is, as you may not know, that noone shall live through another´s work. so the state takes everything and spreads the money out. this is called planned economics.
the point here, is that a a communistic state takes all the money, and because of that, since you are the state, you should get more money than under no other gov!
i dont want to have to repeate this.
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whats pretty dumb, because since there are and never has been a state that has reached a state worthey of the name communist, there is no way to be sure which way it will be actually implimented. in my ideal of communism the people will decide what they want there lot to make and they will provide themselves with everything they need (similiar to maoism), and the extra goods they dont need will be sold to other communitys for porfit, to buy other communiys goods..Comment
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ummm yeah, it would be nice...
the reason it don´t work is that people can never decide what they want collectively. 51%decides over 49%.
the only true freedom comes with libertarianism.
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yeah, also communiy's can combine in a trade of
-less work per person
-more profit
-less individuality and personal freedom..Comment
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Oy...
the USSR was stuck in a sort of state directed capitalism that Lenin began as the New Economic Program to jumpstart the economy in the 20s. No where did Marx say that the means of production would be controlled by the STATE, he said they would be controlled by the PEOPLE!
Also just because a party calls itself Socialdemocratic doesn't mean it is. I mean the UK Labour party has drifted to the center-right in many ways, and most European Social Democratic parties have at least gone toward the center, and ALL of them have dropped most mentions of Marx in their doctrine.
Communism in it's Marxist sense can't work fully so long as people are primarily individualistic and motivated by personal economic concernsComment
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i know the labour parties have drifted to the right. but officially we´re socialists. and ancient´s talk of "the state own´s everything" wasn´t even true during the 70´s in here.
today, sweden has still one of the most generous well-fare systems in the world. so i still consider us to be socialists. marketsocialists.
for some people communism´s fine, not all is driven only by money.
ehhm, he wanted the state (which meant all the pople, to own the production methods). he meant that, private owning of ie. fabrics, turn the workers into slaves for the owner. their sweat, his money. state and people often means the same thing, you know. the state is like a big mama who controls every kid and makes sure all get enough candy.No where did Marx say that the means of production would be controlled by the STATE, he said they would be controlled by the PEOPLE!Comment
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And *ahem* which of Marx's essays was that a quote from?
Probably NOT any of the ones that said that the (then) modern idea of a state was deeply flawed and contridictory.
However, yes Sweden is the most generous welfare state in the world, and yes, it's a hybrid, Social Market is the right term I think.Comment
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there is no state in communism. it dies out in the process of building it. all that is left is society.Originally posted by uncle_funk
in communism, you make all production devices belong to the state. that means the state has total control over everything that is produced.
in which system do you think you can control most production?
i mean, if democracy in civ II is supposed to mean a mixed economic system, or a market economy, the only thing you should be able to build as a ruler, is military, hospitals and so on.
coz the other things is done by corporations and not by you, get it?
uncle, i suggest you stop your crusade against an utopian concept that never existed.Comment
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