Whats the coolest civilization in Civ 3?

[Vrank Prins]

Originally posted by polypheus
I'm not sure that this is entirely true. From 962-1806, Germany was united as one nation called the "Holy Roman Empire" whose borders correspond to those of modern Germany.

True.
But the swedish, english and french kings etc. had power over all their kinsmen. The german emperor had none. That's one of the main reasons why the swiss and dutch got a state on their own. And also why german (deutsch in german) as a language had a few, though minor, offspring languages like dutch (in the netherlands we say "nederlands"), swiss (schwyzerdütsch though not official), and letzeburgs (luxemburgs official !!!). Bavarian had almost developed into a (official !!) langauge off its own too. The german emperor (and with him his court !!) couldn't force himself upon his empire as a leading and trendsetting factor, whether political or cultural.

[Urban Ranger]

Romans? Maybe not.

The Romans never had the concept of 0 (zero), which is so important in today's mathematics and sciences.

[Fidel]

yeah, nor did they have any clue about mesons, quasars, cell phones and SUVs. shame on romans!

[bertje121]

Originally posted by JMarks
I'd go for the Greeks, the Romans, and the Americans, but being as your only supposed to vote once, I go with America, the acme, the zenith, of Western Civilization. We also saved Europe's behind in two World Wars and have a considerable economic and social influence (much to the shagrin of other nations, and myself at times) the world through. Ergo, USA gets my vote, though I would suggest everyone here study Latin and Attic Greek for fun.

Long live the Americanization of the World! Hellanization was but the first step! Rominazation the next!

Ioanes

You're pathetic.
Big influence on Western Civilzation? Haha. Thats funny. I thought the United States was MADE out of EUROPEANS.
After all, Americans are nothing but a bunch of Europeans (and of course others, but mainly Europeans).
The Americanization is something of the last few decades. So you cant speak of a big influence like the Romans (several centuries!).

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by JMarks
the Romans, and the Americans,

I said this a long time ago, America is a country and not a Civs. Because All of us have ancestry somewhere else. Think about this for a moment, if your ancestry is North Africa or most of Europe, not all, but most of Europe you are part Roman. So if all of us part Roman got together today (2001), we might still be one of the larges Civs in the World. Maybe number 3 right behind the Chinese, and Indian of India.

[JMarks]

Depends

I said this a long time ago, America is a country and not a Civs. Because All of us have ancestry somewhere else. Think about this for a moment, if your ancestry is North Africa or most of Europe, not all, but most of Europe you are part Roman. So if all of us part Roman got together today (2001), we might still be one of the larges Civs in the World. Maybe number 3 right behind the Chinese, and Indian of India.

It depends on one's definition of 'Civ'. If you mean completely original, then no one gets that prize, not even China. A civilization is, well, a culture based around cities, often families, and, for the most part act 'civilized'.

Besides, any civ is naturally based on a nation, a city or collection of cities, that, more often than not, share a culture. If America (USofA) cannot be a civ, then niether can the Romans. They were a nation, no? Besides, being American is not being European. Nowhere near. We have a cultural base in Europe, sure, but we are far from being European. African-Americans (I hate that term, I really do. It somehow implies that they aren't true Americans, which they are, but I'll have to use it to make the point) are Americans, would they be considered Roman for your sake? Not to bash you, I just love debating what being an American means with fellow Americans.

If anything, its an ideology with roots in the Romanized and Hellanized world of Europe.

Oh and a little side note, I like the Roman version of slavery better than the American version (brought to us by Africa, and supported by Darwin, thankyouverymuch). That was truely an equal-oportunity placement if there ever was one.

Ioanes

[Alexander's Horse]

Horse rules

The coolest empire is of course the Horse Empire. Bow Down!

I hope customised civs and titles will be allowed. Few multiplayers use the historical civs.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by LaRusso
yeah, nor did they have any clue about mesons, quasars, cell phones and SUVs. shame on romans!

Do you have any clue what you are talking, or are you just babbling?

[Rollo_CH]

Originally posted by Vrank Prins


That's one of the main reasons why the swiss and dutch got a state on their own. And also why german (deutsch in german) as a language had a few, though minor, offspring languages like dutch (in the netherlands we say "nederlands"), swiss (schwyzerdütsch though not official), and letzeburgs (luxemburgs official !!!).

Don't forget the "other 3" in Switzerland... Germans are not the only nationality. Actually, Switzerland is a very good example of a peacful coexistence of different nationalities.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Depends

Originally posted by JMarks
It depends on one's definition of 'Civ'. If you mean completely original, then no one gets that prize, not even China. A civilization is, well, a culture based around cities, often families, and, for the most part act 'civilized'.

What does it mean by "completely original?" Does it mean that a civilisation has, in the course of history, developed a culture that is not a derivative of any earlier culture? If that is the case it seems that there are several the qualify.

[Alexander's Horse]

But then you're not a civ, are you

You're a complete original UR.

[Vrank Prins]

Originally posted by JMarks
Long live the Americanization

YECH I've never liked MacDonalds, and my boss is trying to look smart by screaming out a lot of anglo-american managements crap, ridiculous.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Do you have any clue what you are talking, or are you just babbling?

dear urban lumberjack,
unlike you, i reckon i do have a clue.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by JMarks
I'd go for the Greeks, the Romans, and the Americans, but being as your only supposed to vote once, I go with America, the acme, the zenith, of Western Civilization. We also saved Europe's behind in two World Wars and have a considerable economic and social influence (much to the shagrin of other nations, and myself at times) the world through. Ergo, USA gets my vote, though I would suggest everyone here study Latin and Attic Greek for fun.

Long live the Americanization of the World! Hellanization was but the first step! Rominazation the next!

Ioanes

Saved our ass?
In the WW1 you intervened on the side of your debtors to prevent them defaulting on war loans.
In WW2 you came when Russians were already in Poland and probably shortened war for a month or so. Let's leave the strategic bombing out of this....
Now, look at your location. Sioux Falls. How come? Let's suppose that a tribe (nation, civ, whatever) of Siouxes lived there, and hey - here comes a cream of European crop, armed to the teeth, zenith of the Western Civilization. 100 years before Stalin and Hitler, you had slavery and massacred Native Americans en masse.
Don't bring Darwin into this, as I understand, half of America has to listen to creationist theories in the school so that the Believers are not offended.
Let's face it, you're Europeans squared, our best and worst characteristics simply maxed out.

[bertje121]

Thats the spirit!