Piecing together the civs and their leaders...

[Provost Harrison]

OK, so we have numerous screenshots, videos, etc, and we have seen a lot of civilisations which will appear in the game. Now I have had a look and some of the ones I have seen so far:

1. Americans - Abraham Lincoln - Abraham Lincoln animated leader and so many screenshots seen playing this side. Abrams tank and F-16 special unit seen.
   
2. English - Elizabeth I - Yep, again, another animated leader, although no screenshots of the civilisation playing. Longbowman and Man-O-War special units seen.
   
3. Germans - ? - Seen cities such as Berlin and Hanover on a map being played. Panzer special unit seen.
   
4. Persians - ? - Seen cities such as Persepolis and Bactra, so they will probably be in.
   
5. French - Joan of Arc - Screenshot of diplomacy screen clearly shows the french with a female leader in chainmail, who I would expect to be Joan of Arc. Apparently have the special unit Musketeer.
   
6. Aztecs - ? - Again, I have seen the cities of Tenochtitlan and Ecatepec. Presumably it will be ruled by Montezuma. Eagle Warrior special unit spotted.
   
7. Greeks - Alexander the Great - Ditto, seen the city of Athens on a screenshot. Screenshot of diplomacy screen shows leader.
   
8. Romans - Caesar - Now I have seen the city of Rome, I am sure I have others as well on the screenshot. Now if you look closely at the E3 videos (in both) you will notice when he loads a game, it has a 'game loaded' window with the Civ2 picture of Caesar on it. I presume the leader will be Caesar. Legion special unit seen.
   
9. Indians - Gandhi - On the most recent video which has the trailer, there is quite clearly a picture of an animated Gandhi, who would most certainly be the ruler of the Indians.
   
10. Babylonians - ? - Confirmed by Dan Magaha. City seen on screenshot (Nippur)
    
11. Chinese - Mao Tse Tung - Animated head once more.
    
12. Japanese - ? - Now I believe one of these animated heads to be Japanese. No idea who the leader is, but the architecture behind him is a giveaway. Samurai special unit seen.
    
13. Zulus - ? - Special unit Impi has been spotted, so the Zulus are probably in the game. Cities on map spotted (Isandhlwana, Ulundi)
    
14. Egyptians - ? - Seen the city of Hieraconpolis on a screenshot. Animated head of Pharaoh seen.
    
15. Russians - ? - No other information than the special unit MiG seen.
    
16. Iroquois - ? - Leader Hiawatha seen. Some sort of Brave special unit seen. Cities seen (Oka, Gewauga, Onnontare, Waukegan)

This appears to account for all 16 civilizations in the game. Does anyone else have any further information on any of these and we can try and figure out who is going to be in!

[jadlakha]

good work

[Provost Harrison]

Thanks. And oh yeah, we have seen some sort of brave special unit for the Native Americans...

[SerapisIV]

Re: Piecing together the civs and their leaders...

Germans - ? - Seen cities such as Berlin and Hanover on a map being played. Panzer special unit seen.

Frederick the Great, maybe but doubtfully Bismarck.

Greeks - ? - Ditto, seen the city of Athens on a screenshot. Presumably ruled by Alexander the Great.

Gotta be Alexander

Spanish - ? - On one of the screenshots (same one with Persians) you can quite clearly see the city of Salamanca, quite clear (at least originally) a Spanish city. No leader known however.

Isabella

Japanese - ? - Now I believe one of these animated heads to be Japanese. No idea who the leader is, but the architecture behind him is a giveaway. Samurai special unit seen.

Tokugawa, something tells me they'll skip Tojo or Hirohito

Zulus - ? - Special unit Impi has been spotted, so the Zulus are probably in the game.

Gotta be Shaka

Egyptians - ? - Seen the city of Hieraconpolis on a screenshot, but that is all I have seen.

Ramses II or Cleopatra, I'd bet on Ramses, him being an actually accomplished leader. But lacking more female leaders, I'd give Cleopatra a politically correct edge.

Russians - ? - No other information than the special unit MiG seen.

Catherine the Great or Stalin, I'd guess Stalin, but again, the whole politically correct thing...

Native Americans - ? - Seen animated leader. This appears to be an Iroquois leader of some sort. Some sort of Brave special unit seen.

Sitting Bull is Sioux, Tecumseh if Iroquois


Again, though, these are only guesses.

[Bohlen]

Nice work. It would be nice if we could be given the ability to change civ/leader combos without much effort (i.e. renaming files, creating special mods, etc.).

[joseph1944]

Re: Piecing together the civs and their leaders...

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
OK, so we have numerous screenshots, videos, etc, and we have seen a lot of civilisations which will appear in the game. Now I have had a look and some of the ones I have seen so far:[*]Americans - Abraham Lincoln - Abraham Lincoln animated leader and so many screenshots seen playing this side. Abrams tank and F-16 special unit seen.

The Airplane is a F-15 and not F-16.

[Alex 14]

Those civs sound pretty much like they will be included in civ 3, except i'm not sure if Native America has been confirmed.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Alex 14
Those Civs sound pretty much like they will be included in civ 3, except I'm not sure if Native America has been confirmed.

Actually we have two. One a picture of a Iroquois Indian Leader and a Indian unit.

[Provost Harrison]

Re: Re: Piecing together the civs and their leaders...

Originally posted by joseph1944

The Airplane is a F-15 and not F-16.

Bah! What's a difference of one between friends?

Yeah, I got the impression that it would be a native North American civ of some kind, although I was not too clear which; Iroquois looked the most likely to me.

Good contribution on the leaders Serapis. I have put down the ones who are known from the animations. We will have to piece the rest together as we get new screenshots and stuff...

[Dauphin]

"English - Elizabeth I"

Why do Civ games never use Victoria?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
"English - Elizabeth I"

Why do Civ games never use Victoria?

Victoria would be good, but when she was Queen, a lot of her power was devolved through parliament and never really directed the country per se. I think this is why Liz I is preferred, because she was responsible for defeating the Spanish Armada and the start of the era of the British Navy being the largest in the world and consequently the start of the empire.

[Ecthy]

Re: Re: Re: Piecing together the civs and their leaders...

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Bah! What's a difference of one between friends?

F-15 has 2 Heckruder, F-16 has only one

don't ask me what that means in English, but it's the most significant difference, at least for the first look.

Well done, Provost, but I think we've already had some overview of the civs included... just not as detailed as yours, nice work.

[DarkCloud]

Good work Provost- just wondering- how long did it take you to compile this?

[joseph1944]

Re: Re: Re: Piecing together the civs and their leaders...

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


Bah! What's a difference of one between friends?

Yeah, I got the impression that it would be a native North American civ of some kind, although I was not too clear which; Iroquois looked the most likely to me.

(laughing)
The F-15 was made by McDonnell-Douglas and the F-16 was made by General Dynamics Corp. These company would be complaining because each would claim to be the best fighter and the other is just OK. The F-15 has two tails (vertical stabilizers) and the F-16 has one tail.
Actually we now have only 3 aircraft manufacture left in the US. Boeing is heading up one group. General Dynamics head up another group and Northrop out there by themselves. However Northrop has a contract with one of the above groups to build something. I have all 42 volumes of World Airpower and I could look up all the mergers, but a little lazy right now.
Yes I to believed it will be the Iroquois because of the leader picture. (Just wait and Firaxis will come out and said we are all wrong on which tribe will be in the game.)

[Dr Strangelove]

I don't know what Firaxis is planning, but if I were going to pick a male leader for the native americans I'd pick Tecumsah. He out together an alliance of nearly a dozen tribes spanning from Michigan to Alabama in an attempt to halt the westward movement of the Americans. Unfortunately William Harrison struck before he was fully ready.
I hope they don't pick Pocahantas as the female leader, at least not the Disney version. If she leaps from ther screen singing "Colors of the Wind" I'll be forced to utterly terminate her civilization with "extreme prejudice".