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    I've always noticed that the capital always shows a 'city' icon when it is a town, and a 'metropolis' icon when it is a city. My question, though, is whether that has any effect on the defensive bonus of units stationed there. My guess is that when the capital is a town, it gets the defensive bonus of a city, and when it is a city, it gets the bonus of a metropolis. Is this right?

  • #2
    The capital does get a defence bonus. It should continue after it becomes a metro as well.
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    • #3
      Really? I never noticed.. Time to rethink my 'chase the capital' strategy in single player then
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      • #4
        I've not done any rigorous testing, but it's always seemed to me the extra size of the Capital is purely cosmetic ...

        NYE: Have you done any testing confirming this extra defense bonus?
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        • #5
          He doesn't need to, the defence bonuses have been thoroughly catalogued.

          The levels are:

          None
          Town with walls or City (50%)
          Metropolis. (100%)

          The bonuses stack additively with any others.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Last Conformist
            NYE: Have you done any testing confirming this extra defense bonus?
            No I haven't. I have read about it though, from time to time. Just not able to find a link easily at the moment.
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            • #7
              I think Catt did some testing on this IIRC.

              He conclusion was that there was a bonus increase indeed, again IIRC, I'm pretty certain of the latter though.
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              • #8
                DrSpike: The question was if the capital got an extra bonus, as suggested by the "big" graphics.

                alva: Thanx. I'll have to do some checking around, then.
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                • #9
                  Yes, and IIRC one would apply those figures I gave to what the graphics show the capital to be. Since someone had already made the second point, I was just adding the finishing touches and providing the numbers for anyone that wanted them.

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                  • #10
                    Thats interesting, In my Mod 7 ages of man I Changed the Palace to give land, sea and air defence bonuses. I wonder if the original also gives defence for naval etc defence.
                    One 'problem' making the palace have citywall ability is that it Can be destroyed with an accurate Bombard! Maybe I can remove the citywall defence and leave the air defence which can be quite useful.

                    It makes building the palace in a important strategic position a useful tactic, as its city defence makes it far harder to conquer.
                    Perhaps I'll make the forbidden palace have a City wall bonus to give it more use (its changed in conquests).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alva
                      I think Catt did some testing on this IIRC.

                      He conclusion was that there was a bonus increase indeed, again IIRC, I'm pretty certain of the latter though.
                      I don't remember testing it and I don't know the answer either! But with a poor memory, I certainly could have tested it and forgotten all about it

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                      • #12
                        I just did a little test, sending 250 of my regular Warriors against 250 (unfortified) AI ones inside their capital.

                        122 (48.8%) of my Warriors survived; for no extra defense bonus one'd expect 114 (45,6%), and for a +50% bonus 73 (29.1%).

                        This strongly suggest there's, in fact, no extra defense bonus for capitals.

                        Edit: Corrected a couple percentages.
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                        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                        • #13
                          I'd just hate to think of all the WW that generated...

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                          • #14
                            Last Conformist, thanks for your effort

                            I guess that settles it then

                            No capital defense bonus.
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                            • #15
                              gunkulator: There's a such thing as Despotism.
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