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  • #1

    Turns in Anarchy

    When I start a revolution with a non-religious civ I will always spend some turns in anarchy before I can choose a new type of government.

    Does anyone know the details on how long anarchy will last? By experience I have found that larger empires will stay longer in anarchy.

    Just for testing I started a revolution in a regent c3c game and was told it were gonna take 6 turns. I then reloaded the game, built a city, then started a revolution and then had to spend 7 turns in anarcy.. Appearantly hit some treshold there.

    Details anyone, please?


    BTW, if you happen to have an 'old' formula for vanilla civ3 or ptw I will happily accept that as well
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    I'm not positive, but I believe that the number of turns is randomly generated and not definitely linked to empire size. I've had huge empires and only been in anarchy for 5 turns, and I've done the despotism-to-republic switch early in the game and had 7 turn anarchy.

    Jesse from Firaxis posted recent to say that said they were looking to weigh the roll so that most anarchy periods last 3-5 turns.
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    • #3
      Are there "oedo years" in Civ3 or is it a more complex formula now?
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      • #4
        No oedo years in CivIII, no. I thought it was 3-7 years for non-religious civs, with larger civs having a higher chance at longer anarchy.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tall Stranger
          Jesse from Firaxis posted recent to say that said they were looking to weigh the roll so that most anarchy periods last 3-5 turns.
          I'd really appreciate this change. At the moment, a second government switch (besides 'get the hell out of despotism') is almost never worth it for non-religious civs.
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          • #6
            It's all a result of the RNG then?


            'Oedo years' What's that? Another way of saying it is a formula hidden behind somewhere?
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            • #7
              oedo years, IIRC, were discovered by a poster named oedo - in CivII, every fourth turn was a year in which a revolution would only take 1 turn. So if you revolted at the right time, you had 1 turn anarchy, but if you did it the next turn, you were in for 3 turns of anarchy.

              -Arrian
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              • #8
                Wow, thought I knew just about everythng about civ2 by now...you learn something every day I guess, even if that particular piece of knowledge is a bit redundant now
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tall Stranger
                  Jesse from Firaxis posted recent to say that said they were looking to weigh the roll so that most anarchy periods last 3-5 turns.
                  So, they're nerfing Religious too?!
                  They've toned-down most of the other traits, why not Religious too?

                  Ok, so I'm ranting a little bit. Religious would still be 'better' than without it, like Industrial and Commercial traits. (or did they actually beef-up Commercial????)

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                  • #10
                    Obviosuly someone who's never had a 9-turn period of anarchy (I'm sure it was 9...)
                    Anyway, on average, my anarchy lasts around 8 turns. BADLY needed. The fact that some folks refuse to leave their religious civs prove this
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                    • #11
                      Haven't been so bad if you knew how it worked, then you could time your revolutions better. Even shortened it a bit, once you knew the deciding factors.
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                      • #12
                        Here's what I do:

                        1. Wait til the end of turn.

                        2. Save game.

                        3. Go to Happiness Advisor.

                        4. Choose a revolution, and the advisor will say "We're in a state of Anarchy right now. It's touch and go; we should have a gov in about X turns."

                        5. If X is more than 5, than reload from that Save and play another turn before trying again.

                        Anarchy can last anywhere from 3 to 7 turns.
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                        • #13
                          So...it is random...?

                          Reloading isn't always an option, right now I'm playing a PBEM and I'm trying to get an overview over how many turns I can except to spend in anarchy before I start the revolt. Guess I just have to close my eyes, point at a date and start the revolution then. I can then open the old saves, and try to find a pattern(if one exist)
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                          • #14
                            Kind of a formula for non-religious civs:

                            3 + a number between 1 and 5 (I think it depends on how large your empire is)

                            4 turns is the minimum number of turns for non-religious civs in anarchy.
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                            • #15
                              Iron Jackson - where did this formula come from? is it your own observations or did you see this elsewhere?
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