Palace cost:

[Smellincoffee]

What determines the fluctuating cost of building the palace? Capital city size? Empire size? Both?

[alva]

Empire size; the more you cities you have the more expensive it gets.

[Space05us]

Didn't notice that before, the palace increases in price as your empire grows?

[Shogun Gunner]

Yes...which is good for those prebuilds...those later wonders take more shields.

[MrWhereItsAt]

As long as no-one actually build the Palace anywhere from scratch that late in the game! It is much easier to use a Leader - even MGL's can still rush the Palace, or to use the auto-relocation of the Palace when you disband the capital. This takes a little effort to boost populations around the new capital enough, but less than building it from scratch.

[Shogun Gunner]

I haven't tried this, but I assume if you select to build a palace, rush build with a MGL, you cannot switch to a wonder build at that point. Obviously that goes against the intent of the rules.

[MrWhereItsAt]

That's correct - they have fixed it so that no build with any amount of shields gained via poprushing, forest clearing, cashrushing or rushing with a leader that could not rush the new build directly can be changed to something like a Great Wonder.

[Dis]

I think palaces should be real cheap. that would discourage pre-building. I would also like palaces not to magically appear in the enemy ai when you conquer their capitol city. They should have to build them.

[The Mad Monk]

I miss wonder rushing.

[alva]

Originally posted by Dissident
I think palaces should be real cheap. that would discourage pre-building. I would also like palaces not to magically appear in the enemy ai when you conquer their capitol city. They should have to build them.

That would leave a lot more exploits then the way it is now IMO.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I miss wonder rushing.

For the same reason I like less resources on the map in C3C compared to previous versions/patches is the same reason why I don't miss wonder rushing. The human player doesn't have easy avenues to win. It's harder now - I like that.

[Jaybe]

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
For the same reason I like less resources on the map in C3C compared to previous versions/patches is the same reason why I don't miss wonder rushing. The human player doesn't have easy avenues to win. It's harder now - I like that.

Ditto that; there is alot more uncertainty now, a little more mystery!

[Dis]

I almost wish there was no rushing of wonders- period. Including scientific leaders and palace pre-building.

I would like wonders to be built soley on the basis of shield production and how early you start building them.

[alva]

I'm not a very big supporter of the whole leader rushing feature either. I'm always glad I get one, but it just isn't the same building a wonder this way, the sense of achievement feels much greater when sitting in agony for (the last) 20 turns hoping no AI will build it before you.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner


For the same reason I like less resources on the map in C3C compared to previous versions/patches is the same reason why I don't miss wonder rushing. The human player doesn't have easy avenues to win. It's harder now - I like that.

All you need to do is program the AI to take advantage of what rushing strategies are open -- it shouldn't be that hard, after all they now have about a decade's worth of human play to model.

My veiw is that wonders should be the result of the efforts of an entire civilization, not just one city -- and the only way to do that, in Civ terms, is to allow various forms of rushing. If you think that makes it less of a challenge, fine -- pump up the shield requirements until you really do need to throw you entire civilization behind the effort -- whether with most / all cities producing carvans, or converting shields to gold (or sending every available citizen!) for the eventual final rush.