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I was hoping, and it is probably too late if it is already not in, but for conquest can we get a diplomatic option, perhaps through the UN or similar organization, to ban trade on some resources/lux?
For example, there is a nice thread up and running about the “exotic birds” luxury resource that is in conquest. People have been stating that isn’t a very good luxury, and something like opium/coca/tobacco etc. which has had a more dramatic impact on world history be included. I kinda agree, but that is beside the point. I understand why these resources probably will never be in the game.
But we can change them in the game with simple mods if we want to.
However, in order to be accurate, what would be nice is if for example we did have opium in, some country that doesn’t have the resource can put a resolution in front of the UN saying “ban trade in this lux” and the ban lasts until another motion passes in the UN allowing trade. Two things come to mind, first, it would be kinda humorous to cause a ban on things like spices. Second, there should be something allowing a country to “ignore” the UN mandate, and another espionage option to “smuggle in banned trade goods” that allows one to steal gold from their treasury (random amount per turn, say -5 to +10 percent – risk of loosing money). Failure to smuggle in (your caught) is diplomatic bobo. With another option for the player to send their diplomats to “intercept smuggled in goods” – A much more difficult and a very expensive option.
Does this make sense?
You have 3 “exotic bird” trade goods in your county.
The UN bans trade in “exotic birds”
You click on your foreign advisor screen, and you click a button that is “UN options”.
In there, one of the things you can do is “ignore ban on trading “exotic birds””
You hit no (so you stop receiving the benefit of that luxury, and can no longer trade it to other countries – however, you do NOT get hit with a diplomatic message for breaking trade in this substance – it was the UN that did it, not you). If you hit yes, you get the benefit of the luxury and can trade it to all other countries that are also ignoring the ban.
Because you hit no, you now have three birds that you can send your diplomats/spies to “smuggle in banned goods”. You pick three countries that you want to weaken, spend a small amount of gold, and watch their economy sneak its way into your banks. If you hit yes above, you would only have 2 to smuggle (you are using one to keep your people happy, remember).
The first two countries you sneak them in. The third county detects your smuggling attempt, and gets ticked off at you. Also, because you are dealing (abet clandestinely) in a banned substance, all other nations get a little upset with you as well. The risks of dealing in “exotic birds” I guess….
So, what ya all think?
For example, there is a nice thread up and running about the “exotic birds” luxury resource that is in conquest. People have been stating that isn’t a very good luxury, and something like opium/coca/tobacco etc. which has had a more dramatic impact on world history be included. I kinda agree, but that is beside the point. I understand why these resources probably will never be in the game.
But we can change them in the game with simple mods if we want to.
However, in order to be accurate, what would be nice is if for example we did have opium in, some country that doesn’t have the resource can put a resolution in front of the UN saying “ban trade in this lux” and the ban lasts until another motion passes in the UN allowing trade. Two things come to mind, first, it would be kinda humorous to cause a ban on things like spices. Second, there should be something allowing a country to “ignore” the UN mandate, and another espionage option to “smuggle in banned trade goods” that allows one to steal gold from their treasury (random amount per turn, say -5 to +10 percent – risk of loosing money). Failure to smuggle in (your caught) is diplomatic bobo. With another option for the player to send their diplomats to “intercept smuggled in goods” – A much more difficult and a very expensive option.
Does this make sense?
You have 3 “exotic bird” trade goods in your county.
The UN bans trade in “exotic birds”
You click on your foreign advisor screen, and you click a button that is “UN options”.
In there, one of the things you can do is “ignore ban on trading “exotic birds””
You hit no (so you stop receiving the benefit of that luxury, and can no longer trade it to other countries – however, you do NOT get hit with a diplomatic message for breaking trade in this substance – it was the UN that did it, not you). If you hit yes, you get the benefit of the luxury and can trade it to all other countries that are also ignoring the ban.
Because you hit no, you now have three birds that you can send your diplomats/spies to “smuggle in banned goods”. You pick three countries that you want to weaken, spend a small amount of gold, and watch their economy sneak its way into your banks. If you hit yes above, you would only have 2 to smuggle (you are using one to keep your people happy, remember).
The first two countries you sneak them in. The third county detects your smuggling attempt, and gets ticked off at you. Also, because you are dealing (abet clandestinely) in a banned substance, all other nations get a little upset with you as well. The risks of dealing in “exotic birds” I guess….
So, what ya all think?
. Anyway, you should be able to build a small wonder called "The Black Market" for instance, which reduces war weariness and Culture, whilst increasing happiness and corruption-Civ Wide!! The main benefit of this wonder, though, is that you can access your list of "Banned Resources" and convert them to "Contraband". You can then 'Trade' (i.e. smuggle) this contraband internally or externally (assuming you have the resource in question-of course). If you trade it internally, then you get another corruption hit-in the cities which have that resource in their radius-but you get the normal effects of the resource-plus a bonus 'happy face'. If you trade it with another civ, then you get an immediate gpt benefit, based on the resources 'rarity' (based on appearance and disappearance ratios), the number of the resource possessed by both civs, and the distance between the two civs!! If the civ you are 'smuggling' to has also banned the resource, then you get double the gpt value AND that civ suffers a Culture and corruption hit-but you get a reputation hit with that civ and all it's Allies! If the Civ has converted the resource to Contraband, then all corruption effects caused by your 'smuggling' are doubled-but the same can happen if someone 'smuggles' a resource you've banned into your civ!! Obviously this gives another method by which you may wage 'war' with another Civ, without having to declare war on them via official channels! Instead you just weaken them financially and culturally by flooding them with contraband!!! The role of the UN in this system would be the ability to declare that you want a particular resource banned, and get the other Council members to vote Yes or, alternatively, you could get a ban on a resource lifted via the UN!!!
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