The helicopters

[vmxa1]

A modern tank weights about 60 tons, only a few flying machines could handle that. When you add in the range of the Helo, it is not useful for hauling tanks around.

[Panag]

Originally posted by vmxa1
A modern tank weights about 60 tons, only a few flying machines could handle that. When you add in the range of the Helo, it is not useful for hauling tanks around.

hi ,

correct , one would need a flying crane in order to move a modern day battle tank , .....

however , it would be nice to see C-141's , C-5's and C-17's around , .....

have a nice day

[Solomwi]

correct , one would need a flying crane in order to move a modern day battle tank

No, one would need a cargo plane.

however , it would be nice to see C-141's , C-5's and C-17's around

Yeah, like those . But they're already in the game, so everything's copacetic.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Solomwi


No, one would need a cargo plane.



Yeah, like those . But they're already in the game, so everything's copacetic.

hi ,

nope , tanks and other heavy equipment can be brought up the field with a flying crane , ......

and no , transport planes are not in the game , .....

it would be better to not let units move like tanks or mech infantry , but they coulod be brought by two or three at the time with the airplane , .....

seeing a c-130 would also be nice , it should hold three paras or so , .....

have a nice day

[Solomwi]

Sorry, Panag, but you're wrong on both counts. The Sikorsky S-64 (the "Skycrane) has a payload capacity of 10 tons. Sikorsky's 65 family has a capacity of 18 tons, but now we're back into full fledged helicopters.

no , transport planes are not in the game

Ummm, do you think airports magically whisk all those modern armor and mech infantry vehicles to their destination themselves? Nope, they use (wait for it)... transport planes! I reiterate that yes, they are in the game.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Sorry, Panag, but you're wrong on both counts. The Sikorsky S-64 (the "Skycrane) has a payload capacity of 10 tons. Sikorsky's 65 family has a capacity of 18 tons, but now we're back into full fledged helicopters.



Ummm, do you think airports magically whisk all those modern armor and mech infantry vehicles to their destination themselves? Nope, they use (wait for it)... transport planes! I reiterate that yes, they are in the game.

hi ,

*sigh*

check your facts before you post , .....

and before you say someone is wrong , ......

have a nice day

[Solomwi]

Easily said when one presents no facts to counter those I've laid out. If you know of a flying crane with seven times the capacity of the 64, please enlighten me, but simply saying "no" over and over is nothing more than childish stubbornness. Of course, when you put yourself in a seemingly unarguable position, as you've done, that tends to be the most effective tactic. Again, if you know of a model with a 70 ton capacity, please present some facts of your own. Otherwise, accept that you're wrong and move on.

[Cruddy]

Solomwi - am pretty sure Panag was using "sky crane" as generic term, not a particular model of helicopter.

I have certainly seen old pix of M-60s being moved by chopper, and they weigh a damn sight more than 10 tons.

[Solomwi]

Cruddy, if so, some fact presentation is still in order, especially considering that a flying crane is a particular type of helicopter.

You're right, the Patton's another ~60 ton piece of equipment, and I'd be interested to see those pictures. To my knowledge, the highest payload helicopter the Army ever shot for was the CH-62 HLH (Heavy Lift Helicopter), which was rated for about 24 tons. It was never put into production, though, and the only one built is housed in the Army Aviation Museum about 20 minutes from my parents' house in Fort Rucker.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Easily said when one presents no facts to counter those I've laid out. If you know of a flying crane with seven times the capacity of the 64, please enlighten me, but simply saying "no" over and over is nothing more than childish stubbornness. Of course, when you put yourself in a seemingly unarguable position, as you've done, that tends to be the most effective tactic. Again, if you know of a model with a 70 ton capacity, please present some facts of your own. Otherwise, accept that you're wrong and move on.

hi ,

check any internet searchengine thats a bit good , ......


on to of my head , 45 stories higher they used a russian mil to put a 25+ airco on the roof , .....

m-60 , ptb's , amx , 155 , 175 , etc , .... look at any detailed pics of an armed conflict and you shall find them , ......


Cruddy's message complements my meaning indeed

have a nice day

[Solomwi]

*sigh*

Nice attempt to change your argument. A 25 ton load is above rated capacity for the Mil (~22 tons), but conceivable. Entirely different ballpark from 60-70 tons. But nice try.

Btw, except for the M-60, pretty much everything you listed falls within weight specifications. At least have the decency to keep the point being contested in mind when you post.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Solomwi
*sigh*

Nice attempt to change your argument. A 25 ton load is above rated capacity for the Mil (~22 tons), but conceivable. Entirely different ballpark from 60-70 tons. But nice try.

Btw, except for the M-60, pretty much everything you listed falls within weight specifications. At least have the decency to keep the point being contested in mind when you post.

hi ,

look , just read the first message , it aint edited or so , .....

quote ; " tanks and other heavy equipment "

ever heard of light tanks , they are still looked upon in the armed forces as "heavy" , .....

so far found 34 pics from helicopters that have from a hummer with extension to a huge 210mm to troopscarrier , ptb , stacks of harpoons , popeyes , etc , .....

cruddy could not have used better words , ......

have a nice day

[Mad Bomber]

Panag:

You are correct a heavy lift copper can lift a IFV or light tank, but a MBT such as the M1 is not possible.

Solomwi:

The Patton series of tanks (M-48) weighed approx 45 tons. The M-60 series toped the scales at a little over 50. The M1 prototype weighs 61 tons the newest M1A2/SPT is 69 tons. The Bradley IFV is 67,00LB at full combat load (33.5 tons)

[Panag]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Panag:

You are correct a heavy lift copper can lift a IFV or light tank, but a MBT such as the M1 is not possible.

Solomwi:

The Patton series of tanks (M-48) weighed approx 45 tons. The M-60 series toped the scales at a little over 50. The M1 prototype weighs 61 tons the newest M1A2/SPT is 69 tons. The Bradley IFV is 67,00LB at full combat load (33.5 tons)

hi ,

i never said or wrote about a large mbt like an m1 , merkava or any other huge beast , .....

sometimes full trucks with ammo and water are moved , it all depends , the bottom line is , we should be able to hook up smething under the chinook like a hummer or artillery , if a parachute can be drawn , then the cargolines can be draw in the game , ...... needless to say that if something hangs under it , the heli should not be able to hold troops or other units , ...

have a nice day

[Solomwi]

correct , one would need a flying crane in order to move a modern day battle tank

tanks and other heavy equipment can be brought up the field with a flying crane

i never said or wrote about a large mbt like an m1 , merkava or any other huge beast

Whatever.