Which Civs should be added after PTW? (part 2...)

[Randolph]

I don't want Firaxis wasting their time on new civs.
Make them yourself, and push Firaxis to improve the AI.

[raen1978]

Originally posted by Randolph
I don't want Firaxis wasting their time on new civs.
Make them yourself, and push Firaxis to improve the AI.

As I said i can do all the civs I want, but are problems to put them in the game, problems to get them to work as like the other civs....

But I agree with you with the AI, I think the computer plays like brute force lol he is only preocupied in building cities and military units...

And one think I dont like too is when I reach arround 1900 and the turns (computer playing) last arround 5-10 minutes!! some times is even worst...

[Daz]

Adding civs is tricky. I mean, when does it stop?

I vote: mod it yourself or Firaxis make it moddable...

[History Guy]

Civs?

Well, Poland seems to be rather controversial. The Poles want it in.

If any European civilizations should be put in, I think they must be Portugal and Holland (Stadholder Willem van Oranje).

Middle-eastern civ? Israel. King David. Slinger (fast archer).

Africa? Ethiopia. Haile Selassie...or perhaps one of the Queens. A fast pikeman.

Here's my list:

The Portuguese
The Dutch
The Polynesians
The Khmers
The Ethiopians
The Israelites
The Incas

That's 7 civs in all.

Byzantium should not be included, as Rome already covers it. Besides, on world map it would share the same capital with the Ottomans, which would be a rather strange thing indeed.

[Spiffor]

History Guy :
Don't you think the Mali are more adapted as an African Civ than the Ethiopians ? Sure, the Ethiopians had an organized government for about a millenium, but that's about it. In the case of the Mali, we can really talk about commerce, golden age etc.
Just my 2 cents

[Ubergeek]

The Incas of course would be my top priority, followed closely by something like Mali. After that, I'd like to see something to start in the western part of North America -- the Hopi, maybe? Too bad we don't know anything about the Anasazi. The Sioux could work too. At any rate, something to fill up that landmass. The Maya would start basically on top of the Aztecs, so there's no point in having them.

I would like to see the Hebrews/Israel in, as they did have a whopping great effect on the rest of the world, an effect far out of proportion to their size/military power. Slinger is a good UU for them, as is Merkava.

As far as Eurpoean civilizations go, as others have said there are already enough. I could see an argument being made for the Dutch, the Poles and even the Portuguese, but the bottom line is that Europe is already crowded enough.

A southeast Asian/Pacific Island civ is a reeasonable choice, but I think you only need one or the other -- Khmer or Polyneisan, but not both.

As far as the Australian Aborigines go, well, I'm having a real hard time thinking of that as a civilization in the sense of building cities, inventing technology, making advances in art, culture and literature and conquering their neighbors -- they were hunter gatherers for eons and then got conquered by the first folks to come along. I think that status is best represented as a series of goody huts rather than a full-blown civilization. I'm not saying this to denigrate the Aborigines, since I know they had all kinds of interesting culture and oral traditions, but none of it rises to the level of a civilization in the Civ meaning of the term.

[TheArsenal]

Ethiopians
Mayans
Polynesians
Hebrews

After that, I think you're adding civs just for the sake of adding civs.

[Azeem]

I don't see why the Ethiopians should be included. The Nubians (a.k.a. "Ku****es") and Mali, which were both extremely powerful empires.

The Incas and the Khmers should definitely be included.

[statusperfect]

i want many angry african tribes

like zulu

cheers

[Stefu]

Basically, I want more non-Euro civs. However, include the Poles, to balance the Russians a little when playing on the World Map. Also, while Middle East is rather crowded already with Turks, Arabs, Persians, Babylonians and Egyptians, I feel the need for the Hebrews to be in too - just because.

So, what I'd have is:

Inca
Mayans
Poles
Mali
Ethiopians
Javans
Khmer
Hebrews

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by statusperfect
i want many angry african tribes

like zulu

cheers

and ethiopians and mali

cheers

[Arrian]

Well, it looks like Firaxis is going to add another expansion pack, with 8 new civs. My suggestions:

Inca: industrious/militaristic. UU: archer with "all terrain as roads" So 2/1/1, but all terrain as roads. NASTY little bugger, eh?

Maya: religious/industrious. UU: ?

Khmer: dunno. UU: ?

Mali: dunno. UU: ?

Nubians: Industrious/? UU: ?

Hebrews: religious/militaristic. UU: Merkava? Or something ancient?

Polynesians: expansionist/scientific. UU: galley with added movement? Or can safely traverse sea?

Anasazi or another Amerind tribe (not the Sioux, though, since they already gave the MW to the Iroqouis): dunno, UU: ?

I'd like to see a re-alignment of the cultural groupings:

Sub-Saharan Africa: Mail, Nubia, Zulu
Ancient Med: Egypt, Babylon, Hebrews
Classical Med: Rome, Carthage, Greece, Persia, Celts*
Middle East: Turks, Arabs (hmm, a little thin here)
Europe: England, France, Germany, Russia, Scandanavia
Ancient Americas: Inca, Maya, plus civ to be named later
Later Americas: Aztecs, Iroquois, Americans**
Asia I: China, Japan, Mongols, Korea
Asia II: Khmer, Polynesians, Indians

* - Celts could be either "classical med" or "europe" The height of their power, though, fits with the ancient/classical time period.

** - Yeah, I know, America (if anything) is culturally European. But it doesn't belong in Europe either (if you don't like that it's in the game, just edit it out, btw)



-Arrian, rambling today

[Stefu]

I'd make the Incas Exp/Ind, Mayans Rel/Sci and Hebrews Rel/Com.

[Arrian]

Stefu,

The first two do make sense, especially the Inca. The Mayans could go either way, IMO. Industrious because they built Pyramids and those cool cities, but Scientific because of their work on Astronomy. I still think the Hebrews should be Rel/Mil. Ever read the Old Testament?

-Arrian

[Azeem]

I'd like to see more culture groups as well as new civs :

British Isles: England, Celts
Western Europe: Spain, France, Germany
Eastern Europe: Scandanavia, Russia
Mediterranean: Greece, Rome, Hebrews
North Africa: Mali, Nubia, Egypt (*Nubians adopted some of Egyptian architecture and culture)
Mesopotamia: Babylon, Assyrians, Persia
Middle East: Turks, Arabs
East Asia: China, Japan, Korea
South Asia: India, Khmer, Java
North Americans: Iroquois, Americans
Central Americans: Aztecs, Mayans
South Americans: Chechapoya, Incas

These are two Civs I thought about in adding in a mod:

Mayans
*Mayans have the unique advantage of having 2 UUs early on
Leader: Pacal
Traits: Religious, Scientific
UU: Plumed Clubman (replaces warrior), Balamob Slingers (all terrain as roads ), Plumed Javelin Thrower (replaces swordsman; has ranged attack ability)

Nubians
Leader: Taharqa
Traits: Militaristic, Expansionist
UU: Nubian Archer (replaces archer), Archer of the Eyes (replaces longbowman), Nubian Camel Raider (replaces knight)