Immortal Beloved - Timing and Detailed Planning

[Wittlich]

But you are right Beta, if we can cut their supply of horses &/or iron - this won't be a problem.

[mjmacy]

I checked it looks like they are going all out for Fuedalism. so it looks like they will have it in 4
Witt. I don't think you get knights from Feudalism.

[Wittlich]

Oops, you're right Macy. Chivalry gives you Knights. My bad.

[Beta]

I made the same assumption Witt. My earlier post had knights in it. They are a 70 shield build, and a 100 gold upgrade from war chariots. That could drain a treasury in a hurry.

But I figure this will be decided one way or the other by then - and we all know which way we want it to go.

[HarryH]

The GS capital is on the flats. That provides little protection for our forces. I would rather go with our plan to head down the mountains as previously planned. Then follow the hills and moutains. That provides our forces some protection and it increases our chance of finding their iron. We do need a second force to work the hills and mountains on the east coast. Harry and Mo will not be able to do it alone. Depending on what H&M find we may want to ferry some of the reinforcements their way.

[Beta]

Yes - I was trying to figure out how to get at it, too. And maybe we don't want to immediately. It is clearly their settler-worker pump - with an incredible plus-6 food production. But very low shield production. And the trek across the plains will leave us susceptible to attrition form counter-attacking chariots using the road network.

I suspect their shield producing cities are a bit further south. And as we progress that way - we can take out roads to isolate the capitol.

Now - Harry and Mo - my plan is on the first turn to land Harry on the mountain where our warrior is now - and Mo lands two tiles further down and in one - on the grassland tile which is keyboard direction 1 (SW) from their warrior. He does not have a move the next turn where he can escape. But it does delay the trek south.

I suggest that Harry and Mo stay and kill that warrior, and then by foot move into the mountain chain. In the meantime - a spearman and immortal will move down to iron mountain where the galley can pick them up. Thus giving us a force of four troops going down the eastern mountain chain. I do want to kill the warrior - he is only 10 shields - but he is a potential swordsmen/medieval infantry.

Suggestions? Thoughts?

[HarryH]

That sounds good.

[mjmacy]

I think it is a good plan, But where are the second two going to be dropped off at by the Galley. I guess we will have to wait and see what is down there.

[Beta]

My suggested public announcemnt to be posted as soon as we play the turn. This should hopefully seal the GS deal for the 95 gold. Which is 2 and half more immortals for us, and 2 less medieval infantry for them.

Please comment quickly. We can no longer wait for Ghengis. This has to go up before GS plays their turn.

Apolyton Public Announcement - Operation MacArthur

This is to advise the world's nations that Vox Controli has returned to the continent. We have tried to negotiate a mutually-benefical agreement with the continental nations, but as of yet have not reached such an agreement.

We come in peace. But we come in force.

Our claim is to a small portion of the north-west corner of the continent. We can discuss this rationally, and we will explain our needs for a maximum settlement of five cities - fairly tightly packed. We can even agree on city placement, and we will sign an agreement that this will be the extent of any claim we have on the continent. We would also ask that the city of Wittlich West be peacefully returned to its rightful owners - the Voxian people. We are willing to come to any reasonable agreement on this matter.

However, we are willing to defend our claim to this land. In fact, the operation is so named as the last Vox leader to leave the continent after our earlier expedition claimed "People of Wittlich West - I will return". He is committed to staying this time. And Vox Controli has ensured that he has the military backing to keep that commitment.

If war is the path chosen, such a war of attrition will only serve to weaken all the nations involved - at the expense of those involved. So, I plead for reason to prevail in this matter. Let peace and prosperity carry the day.

We are open to discuss this matter at any time. Please contact any member of our team if you wish to talk.

Peace.

BetaHound
Voice of Foreign Affairs
Vox Controli

[Beta]

Originally posted by mjmacy
I think it is a good plan, But where are the second two going to be dropped off at by the Galley. I guess we will have to wait and see what is down there.

Yup - my thoughts exactly. We will see what we can see. The only concern here is a GS galley zipping out of a port and sinking our galley with two trrops in it. We may want to consider a plan where they land somewhere on the coast at the end of every turn - provided it is good defensive terrain. The next turn they load and move on. If the galley is sunk without them in it - at least they can cause some havoc on land.

[Konquest02]

This is great Beta... I think this will cause much turmoil in the public forum... It would be quit fun to watch and encourage... I just hope GoW will participate as they have said they would.

We're all online now... we could meet in our chatroom to discuss our plans

--Kon--

[Beta]

Great idea. We should. Let's pm a few folks- see u there.

[Konquest02]

Chat transcript (partial) of Kon and Beta, April 7

Konquest02 Miller Town is perfectly situated to support every other town...
BetaHound yes
Konquest02 Yes, but in a sense, hell would have broken loose in 2 turns...
Konquest02 He could have chosen a much worse timing...
BetaHound The problem is we now have to build it next turn - and with the map deal on the table - GS may squawk
BetaHound I am thinking up a story line
Konquest02 I know you can!
BetaHound my imagination is getting taxed here
BetaHound So - RP set up an embassy with us.
BetaHound We say that we are also now establishing embassies with Lego and GS
BetaHound This is coincidental to us going back to the continent
Konquest02 To get a closer "feel" of our allies...
BetaHound and is an attempt for us to form in-game alliances against NeuD and GoW.
BetaHound yes - exactly.
BetaHound Does it work?
BetaHound Or too far fetched
Konquest02 We should contact Lego and build embassy there too...
Konquest02 How are our relations with them?
BetaHound Can GS tell whether we have or not?
BetaHound With Lego - great!!!
Konquest02 Through the map deal, yes...
BetaHound how so?
Konquest02 Sorry, no, we already have the map of their territory
Konquest02 If we didn't they would have seen a spot on our map...
BetaHound And the Lego capital is shown - so it looks OK. Right?
Konquest02 yes
BetaHound whew..
Konquest02
BetaHound So - Lego. Yes - strong but secret ally.
BetaHound They are willing to bankroll our campaign.
Konquest02 Ok... I've always liked them..
BetaHound And they will not trade with GS
BetaHound Same with RP
Konquest02 They are the Jews of Apolyton! (not being mean there...)
BetaHound so I think we may have isolated GS economically
BetaHound yes - true
BetaHound my only concern is that GoW may try and take advnatage of the situation
Konquest02 GS being tagged as the "all-star" team, they have made a number of enemies jsut by signing up...
BetaHound yup - they should have divvied up the team.
BetaHound In the early days Vox only had 5.
BetaHound At least a bit.
BetaHound The next few days are going to be an eye opener I think.
Konquest02 I hope so!
BetaHound And I was thinking when we head down the mountains ..
BetaHound we should keep the group split
BetaHound oner half following the other by one turn
BetaHound that way - they will not get an idea of what is coming at them
BetaHound and hopefully they will under-react
Konquest02 Exaclty...
BetaHound thinking silly Voxians
Konquest02 I'm too slow typing tonight!
BetaHound they only brought 7 immortals to take the whole country
BetaHound np
Konquest02 And then 7 more show up!
Konquest02
BetaHound And then 7 after that
Konquest02 <
BetaHound and 7 after that
Konquest02 :evil laughter:
BetaHound we already have 7 warriors et to go.
BetaHound 306 gold in the treasury
Konquest02 ouch... It might hurt a lot...
BetaHound 95 more from GS - fingers crossed.
BetaHound 200-300 in a war grant from Lego
BetaHound and hopefull the 200 from RP for engineering
Konquest02 Which sums at...?
BetaHound Thats 800-900
BetaHound 20-22 immortal upgardes
Konquest02 Which is at least 20 imms...
BetaHound yup
Konquest02 This is gooood...
BetaHound in addition to the 15 on the ground
BetaHound We are going to need them
Konquest02 Where do you think GS cities are located?
BetaHound This will be a fierce war of attrition - and they do have good players
BetaHound I suspect they are all around the capitol
Konquest02 Let's say from their capital?
BetaHound Which is good
BetaHound south
Konquest02 I suspect one being 6-6-9...
Konquest02 On the river
BetaHound The initial note from GS way back when would indicate that Hurricane is somewhere on the east coast
BetaHound and probably within 3-4 tiles of their capitol
BetaHound just a sec
Konquest02 That should be Hurricane... 3 tiles
BetaHound yup - bout right
Konquest02 Nathan is a fan of 3-tile spacing... (usually)
Konquest02 Theseus likes the "ralphing" concept (temp. camps...)
Konquest02 So it might be a compromise between the 2
BetaHound yes - and there is definitely one at 5-5-9 from the capitol
Konquest02 5?
BetaHound sorry - 8-8-9
Konquest02 yes
BetaHound and one at 7-7-7-7-8
BetaHound just south of the mountain - that is the first target
Konquest02 Yes.. I'll make a map...
BetaHound oooh - that would be great.
BetaHound But I suspect that their major shield cities are south of the capitol.
Konquest02 I'm a big fan of photoshop...
BetaHound do you give lessons?
BetaHound
Konquest02 Not officially... I took a digital photography class in college...
Konquest02 It was great!
BetaHound Hmmm- good idea.
Konquest02 But if you have questions, just ask me!
BetaHound I am new to most of this technical stuff.
BetaHound Did you see the early MIRC thread posts - and poor Eli getting exasperated with me.
BetaHound I have come along way in 4 months.
Konquest02 Not attentively... I'm fairly new to IRC too...
Konquest02 That is good... PS is really powerful, once you konw how to use it...
BetaHound I only ever use to use my comp. for civ3 SP
Konquest02
Konquest02 good use though...!
BetaHound yes
BetaHound I joined poly for this game
BetaHound and have had to learn some stuff quickly.
BetaHound bit by bit
Konquest02 Yes... You've come a looooong way! But you're good at it!
BetaHound spend a lot of time here now
BetaHound I'm approaching emperor.
BetaHound eeek!
Konquest02 Whoa!! In 4 months! This is a lot of time here!
BetaHound yup.
BetaHound back to the game-
BetaHound what did you think of Harry;s idea of sticking to the mountains
BetaHound and not going out to get the capitol
Konquest02 yes... We should make a personnal chat once... All of us, to get to know us outside of 'poly...
BetaHound yup - we had a thread awhile back where we posted bios and the like.
Konquest02 I'll try to dig it up...
BetaHound I'm the oldest.
Konquest02 20 here...
BetaHound 46
BetaHound Witt is 42 I think
BetaHound And Diss 36
BetaHound Eli 18
BetaHound Jon 22
BetaHound Harry - my age or thereabouts I think
Konquest02 I like sticking to the mountains as the chariots can't reach us...
Konquest02 Great! Thanks for the info!
BetaHound
BetaHound yes - and the capitol is not producing much in the way of shields
BetaHound only food
BetaHound but lots of it
BetaHound they may be using it to grow their other cities
Konquest02 Yes, but it's a really psychological defeat, when your capital gets captured...
BetaHound we will need to see how close the mountains get to it
Konquest02 Is it an effective tactic? Maybe, but I like to stick to the mountains and try to spot the iron...
BetaHound yup
Konquest02 There is one just 4-4 of the capital...
BetaHound there is amountain 4-4 from the capitol
BetaHound that would only mean one turn on the plains
BetaHound but if it was a stack of 8-10 chariots - it could be messy
Konquest02 That's about the closest approach we can do...
BetaHound But the iron - if we get that.
Konquest02 I'm sure taht if we move our stack there, they will mobilize almost all their chariots to get us...
BetaHound I was also thinking they may have more iron - but just not connected.
Konquest02 Will it trigger their GA?
BetaHound yes - agreed
BetaHound yes
Konquest02 So they will get A LOT of chariots...
Konquest02 I insist on A LOT
BetaHound yes - at 20 shileds per
BetaHound that;s cheap
Konquest02 it may get ugly...
Konquest02 We should aim for the shield producers first then...
BetaHound yup - we need to take down cities and do it fast
BetaHound yes - I agree
Konquest02 What about a city 2-2-2? of Monsoon?
BetaHound one sec
Konquest02 or maybe another tile...
Konquest02 a little farther south... 2-2-2-1?
BetaHound maybe another. if it was 222 I'm sure the cultural border would cut south from monsoon.
BetaHound yes - probably that
BetaHound well - I need to play the turn.
BetaHound well I need to play the trun
Konquest02 ok... I'll post my map on the forum...
BetaHound h
BetaHound mmmmm
Konquest02 ?
BetaHound sorry -I was looking the other way with my fingers on the key board 0- one of the cats
BetaHound Olly the Immortal
Konquest02 The Brute!
BetaHound Yes - any pets your way?
BetaHound We need names!!
Konquest02 Maurice... I once had a fish called that...
BetaHound Great. Maurice the marauding fish
Konquest02 great!
BetaHound So - do I post the announcement
BetaHound and a letter to GS about the emabbsy
BetaHound embassy
Konquest02 let's go! and be prepared to get a lot of replies to this thread!
BetaHound yee haw!!!
BetaHound ok - cya
Konquest02 your story was good... you should keep it as is
Konquest02 cya!
BetaHound ok
BetaHound peace
BetaHound hahahaha
Konquest02 lol!
BetaHound bye

[Konquest02]

you can see the hypothetical map of GS I made during my chat with Beta here : http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Konquest02/mapGS.jpg

Red spots are fairly certain cities, the green spot is a relatively doubtful one...

Please discuss the ideal way to attack such a civ...

--Kon--

[Beta]

The reaction in the public forum is simply maaahhhvelous.



I love this game.