Top Secret - New Alliance

[Beta]

Ok - this has got to stay quiet.

We can try and fight our way onto the continent, and it will be a fight - or we can go another route.

Jon initiated and I completed a discussion with GhengisFarb regarding establishing a new alliance. Their first priority is hitting RP.

And ours is - GS. Yes - GS. Ghengis has agreed to a tentative plan that will see us massing trrops to attack GS. As they move to defend - he will land a force of horsemen to tear up their infrastructure. We will press the war to its conclusion.

I think we would have to implement the disconnnect iron-build warrior-connect-and upgrade plan to get more Immortals quickly. Will cost us cash.

In return - and after a period of rebuilding and catching our breath - we do the same to RolePlay - but with our roles reversed. Here, we land a force on the southern coast - RP reacts - Gow rushes to their aid - and hits them from behind.

It has risks. Clearly. And there is always the potential for Gow to back-stab us on the deal. But we would have a written agreement - for what that is worth.

We would do it after the tech trade - GS has told us they are providing Republic, construction and currency. We are to provide them with the free tech. Good deal.

So - are you up for this plan - or not.

[Beta]

And GhengisFarb knows we will be publicly ranting and raving about how unfair the bobians are being.

[Beta]

Ok - this one has not been discussed with Jon but represents another possibility.

We agree to the Alliance - but we invade RP first. GoW moves to attack RP as well.

In the meantime - we explain to Legoland and GS what is going on, ally more strongly with them, and commit to a three civ invasion of Bob. Gow and RP will be at war - and then the three of us invade. If the Bobians react quickly - and unite - it would be messy.

I still like the above plan - a move to get all of Estonia for ourselves.

[mjmacy]

I will need ot think about this. We need more information before I agree to any of this. We still don't know how big BOB is, or if ND is goign to attack us for settling on BOB. But if I had to chose.... which I don't want to do right now I would say plan 1.

[mjmacy]

let us explore a little more, I would like to know more about the size of Estonia.

[HarryH]

This sure would provide a lot for us. A place to expand that woudl be easier to support than cities on separate continents. My concern is that GS has been a good tech partner while GoW has been shifty on tech deals. How would our research situation compare once we cancel the agreement with GS? The nice thing about this is that GS is probably not prepared for war. I think they have been busy expanding their cities and probably do not have many military units, but they may be starting to get into a position where they can create them quickly. We will need to be careful in our timing of canceling the tech arragement or we could end up losing out on Republic, Construction, and Currency. So much to think about...

[Wittlich]

For some reason, that I can't seem to put my finger on, I feel rather shakey concerning an attack on GS at this time....I too need time to think about this.

[statusperfect]

Bob is really big. There is jungle separating RP from the other teams. I'm from Lux so i know.

[Beta]

Thanks statusperfect. Anything you can add would be appreciated. The other thing GhengisFarb mentioned is that all three remaining Bobian civs started on the west - and are expanding east. The east coast is apparently clear. That came out in the discussion about landing and invading RP.

Also - another couple of thoughts on this:

1) - we should wait until GS moves to republic. Then they cannot pop rush troops. They will have to buy them and that is much less effective.

2) - this will likely trigger golden ages for both us and GS.

3) - see the moves thread for my analysis on how we can accumulate a sizeable number of immortals quickly.

[Jon Miller]

I think we need to hit someone

and GS is weaker than they will be in a long time

but I also have concerns (Relating to tech trading and the like)

the fact that Bob is really big suggests that Ghengis was lying to us about the space that he and ND have

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

before we agree to any alliance, I want to know more about GoW position

maybe a minimap?

Jon Miller

[Beta]

Ghengis has agreed to complete map trading - so we would get a look at all of Bob, and part of lego - in exchange for them getting a look at North Estonia.

If we are going to do this - we need his guarantee that our map goes no further.

[Jon Miller]

I am not for this

I see no reason to trust him that far

and he was wanting map trading earlier

also, looking at what are people have uncoverred

there is plenty of room there

we still don't see hide nor hair of them

maybe status perfect can tell us something of how much land they have

they say they have none (this includes GoW)

we see lots

what is up here?

and if we can not trust GoW in this (telling us hoe much land they have)

how can we trust them in anything else?

Jon Miller

[Beta]

real politic from GoW posted this in the ISDG forum regarding tech trading:

"In the intrasite game, friendship is very worthwhile, GoW is often discussing who can be trusted, and who we are better off being friends with. We want to keep the other teams happier with us than they are with each other, until there are just a few teams left."

[Jon Miller]

I am not sure if that is good or bad?

Jon Miller