Survival Of Lux!!!

[Dis]

and what's the other deal.

They don't want us to trade their techs to Lux? Lux won't have much to trade anyways.

But surely they aren't saying we can't trade the techs we research to lux.

I don't think we need to give lux that much. Excpet map making. We have to give them that one.

[Beta]

Jon - I will not contact GS at all regarding this matter. I will leave this to you.

I agree map making is what we want to get to Lux. But I think making contact with Legoland will be easier. Then lego can build and gift Lux a city. And we can take ours back. That is a better plan than them sailing away. As has been mentioned before - they may not make it there via a galley.

[HarryH]

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Beta wrote:
Regarding contact - it will happen one way or the other. If possible, we need to convince Lego to come our way first. Not only will the contact be valuable, but it will help Lux on their way.
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It would be nice if Lego could come our way. Maybe they will get lucky and find some hopping points across the ocean to GS. It would be a lot easier with the G Lighthouse because they can use those occasional sea tiles in the middle of the ocean. My gut says there is no path to us across the eastern edge of the map. I think Lego will find islands N and/or NE of their position and they will lead to the main continent.

[HarryH]

Jon,

I don't have a problem with sending the Lux-Vox agreement to GS if you think that will help. I would run it past Lux first. Estonia is a small land mass for three civs and I think GS is worried Lux will take some of their territory.

[Beta]

Originally posted by HarryH

It would be nice if Lego could come our way. Maybe they will get lucky and find some hopping points across the ocean to GS. It would be a lot easier with the G Lighthouse because they can use those occasional sea tiles in the middle of the ocean. My gut says there is no path to us across the eastern edge of the map. I think Lego will find islands N and/or NE of their position and they will lead to the main continent.

I suspect you are right Harry. they will likely make contact first with the other continent - and I assume that is RolePlay - who from what I can figure out - are on the far side of that continent from us.

[Jon Miller]

GS wants only 1 of our combat units in Lux territory (unless we are going to take it back)

also, they feel that since Lux is an expert trader (like the Feringi it was put) that trading with lux would give them advantage

I admit I am not really sure on why the trading thing is a big deal

the combat thing I would agree to

on the trading, maybe I should suggest that if either of us trades with lux, that we have to get the others permission first?

also, there was a lot of talk about if GS and Lux went to war, what side Vox would go on

Jon Miller

[Eli]

GS wants only 1 of our combat units in Lux territory (unless we are going to take it back)

What? What does that has to do with them?

[Dis]

I'm not sure I agree with the one unit. But here is what I propose. We keep the spearman in their terrirtory. The warrior goes back to his watching post we agreed upon early in the game. Which is on the mountain to the southeast.

And I think that is too much gold to give them. I cannot accpet that. At most they should only get half of what they gave us. 75 gold. Even that is too much. What good is map making if their galley gets destoryed by new demo or roleplay? I still think they have little hope of getting a galley anywhere. And what do they need writing for? If they want that, they should negotiate a per turn gold deal.

150 gold was the deal for us bailing them out. I really do not want to give that up. We had a deal after all. I'll post this in the FA thread, because this is in response to the recent correspondance from Trip.

There must be another way.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
also, there was a lot of talk about if GS and Lux went to war, what side Vox would go on

Considering that Lux's capital is actually our city - I believe the choice would be rather obvious since GS attacking Lux's only city is in reality, GS attacking Vox!

[HarryH]

Jon wrote:
also, they feel that since Lux is an expert trader (like the Feringi it was put) that trading with lux would give them advantage

They were an expert trader because of circumstances. They were in a unique position of being the conduit between us and the rest of the main continent civs. Now that we have writing and communications with the other civs that has all changed.

I don't like the idea of requiring us to get GS permission to trade with Lux or anyone else. That would tie our hands too much and prevent us from taking quick action if it was needed (such as the recent Lux situation).

[Beta]

I agree 115% with Dissident on the gold issue. The 150 is like a signing bonus. If theye were going to be able to survive in some other way without our help, then I was willing to act as a bank fo rtheir cash for a small fee. But now that we are the ones bailing them out, and using one of our own cities, arghh. Besides - the agreement says 150 gold.

And I still say the better approach is for Lego to contact us somehow, and then they build and gift them a city. Or, we could 'lend' them 40 gold now, say 2 per turn for the next 20 turns to aid tgeir research. But then they pay us back.

And I am not sure about the unit thing either. GS' attitude, is p***ing me off again. I understand their rationale, but give me a break.

I agree 115% with Harry as well abou the trading thing.
And rather than have to give Lux gold to give to GS for writing, why don't we just give Lux writing ourselves. The rest of the world has it. No big deal.

[Beta]

The turn is rolling around quickly. What about the idea of giving Lux writing? We should decide before the next turn.

[Dis]

I don't want to give them writing. As we didn't research that tech. And this would cause friction with GS

But I don't want to give gold to Lux to gain wrting.

Surely another deal can be worked out. A per turn gold deal. Although they probably are only bringing in 1 or 2 gold per turn.

[HarryH]

Jon wrote:
GS wants only 1 of our combat units in Lux territory (unless we are going to take it back)

In our agreement when GS are we only allowed so many units in the area by the mountains? If not, then it should make no difference to them how many units we have near Portia as it is not their territory. Are they afraid we will attack Lux or GS?

[HarryH]

Wittlich wrote:
Considering that Lux's capital is actually our city - I believe the choice would be rather obvious since GS attacking Lux's only city is in reality, GS attacking Vox!

It's not so obvious. We could decide it is in our best interests to attack Lux to get our city back. Especially if this arrangement we have them goes bad.