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According to WarpStorm, the patch can be applied to existing games. As a matter of fact, my patner and I continued our LAN game last night with the latest patch applied - It works Great! 
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It can be applied, but if i'm not mistaken the game itself will play using the rules of the old patch.
That's why, I think, in our game we can rename units, while in PBEM games I play in and were started before the pre-last patch was out, you cant. Despite all players having the patch."Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.Comment
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Ah, I see your point Eli.____________________________
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"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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I have posted a PM from Trip in the correspondence column. This is getting frustrating dealing with them. Maybe we need poll on putting them out of their misery. And btw - the 75 gold is already gone to GS.
Comments? Suggestions?Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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advice on lux
tell lux that we had to pay off GS not to destroy them
also tell them that they will not get construction for 40 turns, so it is not worth a whole lot to us (since we will nto be getting it for a long time) it is just enough to make the deal worth it
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I say we just put them out of their misery
Don't think I haven't thought of that.
Why give New Demo the satisfaction of destroying lux when we can do it. Their settler is gone. So if we take that city they are toast right?
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in regards to the other thread.
the 1.21 patch probably wont' apply to this game. I don't think we'll get much out of a scientific civ this game.Comment
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Regarding the latest correspondence with GoW, my comments:
Theoretically we could trade philosophy for mm, but this would not make too much sense. We could do it in 6 turns - which is only 6 or so ahead of when we will get it anyway. And this keeps philosophy out of the hands of the continental civs, which gives us some lead time on government changes. But as I mentioned in my letter to Nathan, we need to work on covering our tracks with respect to the trade arrangement with GS and ourselves.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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See communications for my response to GS. Jon and I discussed this briefly in a chat yesterday.
I'm still unsure if this is all worth it, and whether we shouldn't just finish them off.
Last edited by Beta; March 3, 2003, 13:56.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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Update - I pulled that last letter to Nathan of Gs back given the recent polling results. needs further discussion or a decision.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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See the latest note from BFM in the correspondence thread. Doesn't look like they are too worried about anything.
One thought that has come to mind. If Lux can get MM cheaply and soon, then we could get it from them earlier, and not have to worry about the 10 turn delay with respect to GS. On the other hand, I presume GoW has put the same restrictions on Lux as they would on GS. I'm just not sure why Lux would even respect such conditions, given that GoW was recently about to do them in.
Guess this all depends on whether we think Lux is worth keeping around.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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OK - just finished a long chat with Trip. He sounds reasonably sincere.
He has a deal to get map making from GoW for 40 gold, AND he does not kill the lone Lux worker left on the continent. GoW gets that.
To get map making, they need the 40 gold. And I think we should get 20 of it from GS.
And they need writing.
The gold they need now - as GoW is close to their worker. Writing they will not need for 2 or three turns. GoW will not be ready with map making for another 4 turns.
They are building a worker for us as per the accord. And they are committed to the 6 techs, 2 each era starting with the middle ages. Or so he says.
Also got some other interesting info. He says the straight separating the continents was about 10 tiles from the Lux capitol, and about 20 from GoW and Neu D. Whicj means we should have some time. Also - we will be culturally dominant in that area of the world. A city on the hill across the straight is within 4 tiles of The Voice. And would give us a dominant position overlooking the straight.
He also mentioned that the continental civs are arming up - and that tensions are high between them. This indeed may be the case. Turns are taking a lot longer these days to play. I suspect something may be going on.
So - I am tempted to try this deal. We get mm well before GS was planning on providing it. And if I can convince GS to buy into this - it will only cost us 20 gold.
I certainly don't sense that GS and Lux are scheming over anything.
One thing my wife thought of - (leave it to women - and a scorpio at that) - she hypthesised that the entire Lux extinction may have been a hoax by Neu D, GoW, and Lux. And that as soon as map making and galleys are widely available, a large invasion force will land at Portia and other spots on the continent. Great idea.
But I don't think they could have masterminded something of this scope, including all the talk in the public forums and in the inter-site forum as well.
Anyways - I am leaning to giving them a second lease on life.
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One thing to add here with respect to the above:
I am playing the turn now, and trying to figure out when we would have a settler, a galley and a spearman set to go.
We can get a galley out of Elipolis in 6 turns by cutting the other forest, adjacent to the one we are cutting now.
We will only have a settler out of The Voice in 10 turns. Plus the one turn to move to Wittlich city where presumably the galley will be.
And a spearman - hmmm- we would have to use one of our two current spearmen.
This may be a bit rushed. Which then puts into question the value of getting map making any earlier. Also - we still would not have iron connected yet until Miller Town produces a settler. Say some 15 turns or so.
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Sounds good.
The tensions and military build up may be between GoW and RP. When I was going through all those FA thread pages I made a note about them. Something about a treaty violation and claiming of territory. The more they spend building (and replacing) military the less they spend on infrastructure. In the long run that will hurt them (unless one of them takes over most of the continent and becomes a big powerhouse).Last edited by HarryH; March 3, 2003, 22:22.Comment
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Beta, I am glad you finally had a heart-to-heart talk with Trip.
Ok, because of this latest info, I too agree that we should abide by our agreement with Lux...for the time being.
RE: Getting Mapmaking any earlier - You are right Beta, getting any earlier will not help us to get the settler/spearman/galley package together any earlier for our foothold on their continent.
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"One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996
"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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