Foreign Affairs - Volume 2

[Jon Miller]

oh, and legoland is not on the main continent

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

roleplay is 4-6 turns from writing

GoW is on the main continent

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

roelplay has mysticism

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

lux is researching horsebackriding according to Roleplay

I think that lux is trying to get a trade advantage by trading stuff around

just like we thought they were

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

oh,a nd I lost ym connection, so Ilost the chat transcritps

I don't know if anyone else logged it

Jon Miller

[Dis]

Did you just exchange the one screen shot. We can exchange the northern screen shot as well. Just to gain more trust. And I would like to see their part of the continent.

[Jon Miller]

yah, just the one

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

I did try to exchange more, but it seemed like they were not interested (or did not pay attention)

Jon miller

[Beta]

Hi Jon - no I did not save a transcript. How do you do that - just cut and paste?

My quick thoughts- I agree with jon - we did not get all we wanted - but pretty close. A key point is that GS opened the save while were chatting. They have iron further south - so that did not seem to be s sticking point.

Jon did an excellent job explaining away early tensions, and getting us to the point where we could make this deal, and then haggling well over the small details.

I still get the sense they still see us a weaker power - which we are. Their capitol can pump out settlers very quickly. During negotiations they were quite willing to say - fine - lets make a REX race out of it. And they readily admit they have more land and should have more cities. They want 13 to our 10, as the plan sits. Jon and I are pretty sure we can get in 11.

But we have peace for awhile. And in the long-term, probably a more stable partner than Lux.

[Jon Miller]

hmm, maybe I need to go back to the bargaining table

I think we will ahve to be agressive in expanding off the continent to gain an upper hand

Jon Miller

[Dis]

also you mentioned they didn't want our culture to gobble up that Iron. How about we move the fish/wheat city site one square NW onto the coast. To fill in any jungle squares we want in the middle we can plop down another city in the middle. There will be some overlap, but we can still utilize the middle of the jungle.

[Beta]

What is interesting Diss, is that is where they originally proposed that city should go - and we negotiated it down so we could at least claim some of the mountain resources. I think right in between would work OK, and will be far enough from any city they plunk down to be OK for conversion. Temple goes in real quick, both for culture and expansion of the border.

The interesting one is the centre city - and that caused them the most grief. Their original proposal had their city going in on the southern piece of jungle - and thus claiming all the plains squares and a good number of mountain squares as well. That was the same site I had proposed on my city site chat map earlier. Unfortunately, if we want peaceful realtions, I think we have to let them have it. Jon negotiated them to a spot south of that. And then we have to decide how far down we want our central city. Any way you look at it - it is not going to be ultra-great. But that is the price of peace and a partnership...

[Jon Miller]

hmm, but perhaps we can renegotiate

since nbarclay was not altogether clear

Jon Miller

[Beta]

If you can - great. But watch the fine line of p***ing them off.

[Dis]

don't stir things up. Just try to get further clarification. I have a settler moving south through the jungle right now. I want to decided in a few turn whenever Beta or me build that 3rd city.