Vox's Coming War

[OliverFA]

A quick note from the 750BC save:

GS - 175
ND -158
GoW - 136
RP - 149
Vox - 92
Lego -155

GS is by far the team with the most score!!!!!

[BigFree]

The 3 warriors are probably going to be upgraded to Immortals; I guess they have a Barracks in Dissidentville.

So that 12 Immortals in the stack plus 1 on the mountain plus the 3 Warriors to become Immortals for a total of 16 Immortals and 2 Spearmen. There's a chance that they are moving two seperate stacks; so there could be more, or there could be some in Dissidentville already.

Regardless of whether it's '26' or '18', it's still a very large force for GS to rekon with!

[ThePlagueRat]

Ok.. I see you meant the second stack who passed the GoW boat, who are scouting the shoreline. It's very difficult too see anything on this map, but I think we should take notice of their movement strategies...

[Hot Mustard]

GoW should know without question whether there is a second stack or not, because the unit names are very unique, and they would be able to tell the difference between stacks, or if they are simply seeing the same stack again, further down the road.

[OliverFA]

Gathering Storm is the enemy without any question.

They have 202 score points at the 730BC save. 49 more than Lego, 52 more than ND and 53 more than RP. Their size is more than twice Vox's size. All the remaining nations should make an embargo against them. The only problem is to make GoW understand this...

[Nuclear Winter]

Foreign policies for a new Spannish century

I post this thread as to ask to you What do you think Spain should do regarding this Vox business? Should we side with Vox?Or with GS?
If we side with Vox, Should we aid to wich extent? Should we aid with trades and embargo against GS (What we are doing right now) , or should we send direct aid?
In 6 turns we get a galley, and we have 7 swordsman.
Shipping 3 of them to there might not only help change the outcome, but also increse relationship with Vox. Maybe grab some gold or workers, or in the worst of situations some training (6 turns from now GS will probably be weakened a lot). Also, we don´t need to aim at cities and such hard battles. We may only pillage, capture workers, kill undefended units, such a war of opportunity. Also, as GS seems to be very programated team, this might unbalance their planning enough to defeat them (look at their posts in their main forums and you will see they count us at their side).
I´d like to know your opinion on who is VOx´s ally.
Today on a chat with Eli he declared we are not their greatest ally, so we can do some guessing on who is. Ipd place my bet on GoW, considering their galleys up there.

[Nuclear Winter]

Also, we need to decide if it is worth accepting this deal with Vox for enginering, or if we believe they will all die before they pay us the tech.

[Nuclear Winter]

Plans for the delivery of a galley at Estonia, possibly with the SEf

Hello friends,
I was talking to Togas about the possibility of sending our first galley with an expeditionary corps inside (Spannish Expeditionary Force) to Estonia to support Vox, killing stray units and capturing workers and such.
I have drawn a map with the possible routes and I am posting it here. (it will be here as soon as oliver can upload it)
The galley will be ready in 6 turns in barcelona. The Red spot marks the point our galley will be at 2 turns after leaving the docks. Then,
the light blue line marks a possible route, still to be verified by the galley ---> if we find out that it is viable, then the ETA at Estonia is of 3 turns after leaving barcelona (9 turns from now).
the light green lines mark safe routes that are 100% sure. The first one would have an ETA of 4 turns to arrive at Estonia´s shores (10 turns from now).
The second light green one is the longest one, that circumvents the continent and it would take an incomensurable amount of time to arrive at conflict zone.
the yellow lines are risk crossing zones, and in them we´d have to count on luck not to sink.
the light green spot marks a probable coast, and the dark green spot marks a probable land.

About the composition of the SEF, I suggest 2 swordsman, for a good strenght to deal with most cases of opportunity that may appear. Also, they have defense of 2, wich is enough to resist those war chariots. They would be training in there, maybe pillaging improvements, and also getting fleeing workers and such. I think it is worth the try.
Togas sugested a force of 2 horses for more mobility there, but Estonia seems too much rocky and full of jungles for our horsemen to ride efectively.

[pikesfan]

I think Estonia is much too far away for us to worry about now. What would sending people all the way across the ocean do for us, except maybe provoke the Arabs to attack us in indignation? Mind you, they will act all indignant, even though the real reason will be because they see a chance to strike us while we are weaker. I support Vox because they are the smaller party, but think it is foolish to do anything about it except munch my favourite brand of squid when I hear the town crier with the latest war news.

Those who have the urge to stick things in things far away should notice the nearer things to stick things in closer to home; things which when things are stuck in have the result of strengthening the realm by producing all-new things a matter of months later.

I refer of course, to the plow

[BigFree]

I wouldn't really want to send any units to Estonia right now. We may have something brewing between GoW and ND; as ND has said they are growing wary of GoW. even if they are in league with GoW (especially if they are) we need to keep troops at home. If we must send a unit, for show of support, send one built at Madrid, perhaps a horseman or a swordsman, but no more, IMO.

[astrologix]

I am against sendig troops for now. After our galley will be build up, we will try to discover a short path towards the GS continent. In the meanwhile, the war between Vox and GS will give us the first results, I hope in favour of Vox.

[OliverFA]

How far is Estonia?

NW has made a map trying to figure how close they are from us:

[OliverFA]

I agree that sending troops for now is a bit risky, but I also agree that the new galley should no doubt try to reach Estonia and see how far they are from us.

[Nuclear Winter]

2 swordsmen won´t make the difference. Also, we could obtain very nice results form such, and show strenght and participativeness. And, if we state very clearly that we sent troops to Estonia other nations will think we have an enormous amount of troops (reinforced by the fact that we look stronger than all our possible enemies in the Military advisor screen). And, If my theory proves to be right, GoW Is sending soldiers to Estonia(maybe when GS gets weaker and Voxian troops approach enemy territory (remember they ahve 2 galleys in there, a bit too much for scouting, and Vox said they have another ally stronger than us that is giving more direct suport).
Besides, in my humble opinion, it is about time we start to take actions to enforce our view of the world in this game.
Anyway, I will be working on a defensive anti-ansar line as soon as my computer gets fixed.

Please, I ask of you not to close your eyes to possibilities of showing power and of obtaining gain; and remember that when we get to them (in my preview it will be around 9 to 10 turns from now) Vox will already have their main force in enemy territory, and our landing will break the GSians defensive line (they are not expecting us there).
Nuclearis Winterius the III

[Hot Mustard]

The Spanish military has two uses: 1) To Defend the Spanish Homeland; and 2) To Increase the Spanish empire.

We are a noble civ, and have done what we can in the world to promote peace and good relations - that is as far as we should go. Further meddling in others' affairs will only distract us from what we should be doing...

With the example of a real war starting, and the UU's of the Chinese and Arabs due shortly, our complete focus should be on A) preparing to defend Spain from attack, and B) settling the rest of southern Spain.