Vox has landed on our continent

[OliverFA]

More information. Another messenger arrived to the palace:

Last night Jon Miller and Betahound approached me to
work out a deal where they could found a city in old
Luxia. They stressed that GS had control of all
luxuries and resources on their continent and that
were desperate to keep themselves "out of (GS'S)
pocket". It was their opinion that GoW was pretty
much in ND and Roleplay's pocket, which to some extent
is true, and offered to form an alliance and declare
war with us on ND.

I pointed our that GoW would face the full brunt of
that attack and we were not interested at this time.
They also discussed an alliance of Vox/Gow against GS
and Roleplay. I then agreed this might be more fair
and suggested they move their galley and settler to
the southern tip of our continent and form their
colony their (I suspected they would not realize how
far that was and just how long a 3 move galley would
take to get there).

Anyway, after much playing with them we ended up
saying that these discussions are best left for the
future as GoW is in no position to fight anyone on Bob
right now. It is a possiblity that they carried on
these discussions with another team also so you may
want to be a bit wary. I am not convinced that GS is
refusing to support them as I can see no logical
reason why they would think they could take on ND,
GoW, and Roleplay by themselves.

Course, they could be using Lux strategy.

And one of the officers of the Neu Demogyptican government has just made a short statement:

Sent to Ghengis Farb, Donegeal and Hot Enamel.

Btw. We are at war with Vox!

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by GF
I then agreed this might be more fair
and suggested they move their galley and settler to
the southern tip of our continent and form their
colony their (I suspected they would not realize how
far that was and just how long a 3 move galley would
take to get there).

That is suspiciously stupid of them. I guarantee he knows that it will take less time for a Vox galley to get here than it will for our non-aggression pact to run its course. If this is a friendly gesture on his part towards us, he can kiss my @ss. If they take him seriously, we should consider ways to rush the harbor when Monarchy comes and get a galley to defend our coast.

And for that, GoW should be led to believe we will not support them with iron when the time comes if they do not support our interests now.

[astrologix]

Re: Vox has landed on our continent

Originally posted by Togas
Ghengis Farb sent me an image of the Vox "invasion" force which consists of 6 spears, 2 immortals, 1 settler. They are on the north eastern tip of the continent.

Please, ask Ghengis if this information is accurate, or if he is using instead a multi-unit mod. In fact, if this mod is implemented, the 6 spear are really only 1. The same for the 3 GoW horsemen = 1 horseman, and the 2 galleys = 1 galley.

Is Ghengis trying to play with us ?

[CiverDan]

looks like it. Why would vox have 3 horsemen together like that if they didn't know they were there. Maybe that's how vox hunts barbs :P

[OliverFA]

Astrologix, I think that in this image there is only 1 spear 2 inmortals and a settler.

[Aidun]

First argument for the opinion that GoW is trying to play with us. I have once suggested to manipulate our little map of Val de los Toros: to paste a settler in the map so that it would seem as if we were going to settle there in a few turns. That would have given us a better ground to stand on in the tough negotiations with GoW about their warriors in Val de los Toros.
Why could GoW not use the same tactic? Togas decided that my idea was too risky in these negotiations and it could easily disturb the fragile balance. Ghengis has quite a different nature than Togas has: he's less concerned of diplomatic risks.

Second argument that GoW is trying to play with us: Why the hell would Vox put half of their army on this new continent? We are far stronger than Vox so the troops on the picture must be half their entire military.

Third argument: Why would Vox put such a large amount of troops on our continent if they come in peace?

Fourth argument: why would Vox put all those troops at once on our continent? If some army of GoW, ND ofr us would march to them, that would take several turns. In case they will be attacked, they have plenty of time to move troos fronm thir homeland to our continent: it's just one square.

Fifth argument: If Vox has such a large amount of units, why don't they attack GS for the luxuries they want to find on our continent, they are stroong enough to conquer some cities from GS if they have so many troops.

Aidun Cian the older

[History Guy]

Senor Aidun, unless I am mistaken, I do believe that the Voxians have admitted that this is the force they have placed on our continent. I do believe that the Voxians may have been eating too little squid, which effected the chemicals in their brains, allowing them to make such an elementary mistake, for they have indeed brought this force, and it appears far too minimal to be an invasion force.

But once a colony is established, further colonies can only be expected. Then, the armies will come.

Fernand de History Guy Calamari
Squid Baron

[E_T]

Togas asked about this of Vox tonight and here was the responce:

[19:37] [BetaHound> yes?
[19:37] [Togas> In the image it shows 6 spears, 2 immortals, 1 settler, 2 galleys
[19:37] [BetaHound> hah -
[19:37] [Togas> we're somewhat doubtful there are that many units.
[19:37] [BetaHound> yes - you would be right. We can reinforce them though.
[19:38] [Togas> Are his numbers right?
[19:40] [Dissident> doesn't sound right
[19:40] [Dissident> Beta has played the last few saves. But I don't believe that is right.
[19:41] [Togas> Listen, I'll be frank with you, but this needs to be kept completely confidential
[19:41] [Dissident> I wonder how they could alter that though. with the editor maybe?
[19:41] [Togas> Do we have your word that you will keep this discussion confidential?
[19:41] [Dissident> yes you have our word. I think we have been very good about keeping secrets.
[19:42] [Dissident> It helps having a smaller team in this regard
[19:42] [BetaHound> yes - agreed
[19:42] [Togas> Good. GF isn't the most credible of sources and he tends to overract and stir up mischeif.
[19:42] [Togas> However, ND was very put off by the Vox invasion.
[19:43] [Togas> if it was just GoW angry, we would have ignored the whole affair.
[19:43] [Togas> But with both of them upset, we agreed to "agree" with them.
[19:43] [Togas> Personally, I don't care if you settle all over the north.
[19:43] [Togas> won't actually harm Spain, and it'll annoy GoW.
[19:44] [BetaHound>
[19:45] [Togas> I honestly wouldn't ADVISE you to do it. It would require you to heavily invest in units.
[19:45] [Dissident> yes I wonder why New Demo is so upset as well. Not sure why
[19:45] [Togas> if you could get ND to back off, appease them somehow, we'd also back off.
[19:45] [BetaHound> yes - we may need to talk to them.
[19:46] [BetaHound> Latest intelligence reports have 6 ND swordsmen heading our way.
[19:46] [Togas> intel from who?
[19:46] [E_T[chores]> who else
[19:47] [Dissident> hehe
[19:47] [Togas> We have an image of SIX vox spearmen.
[19:47] [BetaHound> spies - they are every where -
[19:47] [Togas> and you know if that's true or not.
[19:47] [BetaHound> get your glasses fixed
[19:47] [Togas> consider the source of your intel
[19:47] [BetaHound>
[19:47] [Togas> we got our "intel" from GoW
[19:48] [BetaHound> concidence - isn't it.
[19:49] [Togas> Vox and RP are very far apart. We have a Non-Agg treaty we plan to stick to it.
[19:50] [Dissident> be back in a few.
[19:50] [E_T[chores]> yes I wonder why New Demo is so upset as well. Not sure why
[19:50] [BetaHound> yes - I wasn't inferring anything against RP there.
[19:50] [E_T[chores]> perhaps they have the same intel source
[19:50] [Togas> I understand

They were a bit surprised at that number that was stated, but neither comfirmed nor denigned anything, There are things that are implied...

Another interesting thing, Vox was also in talks with GoW at the same time. I did get a small amount of that.

[19:36] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> They are unprepared because NO ONE CAN GET THERE ANYTIME SOON>
[19:36] [BetaHound> Except us.
[19:37] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> What's Roleplay doing in here?

I wonder what they were talking about??

[ruby_maser]

Between that and the correspondence Genghis sent to Togas, the evidence is mounting that they are encouraging other teams to settle to our south. If Vox were to actually do so, I say to hell with any non-aggression pact and to hell with supplying Iron to GoW later.

[MrWhereItsAt]

GoW you duplicitous bast***s!

You gotta admire the idea though. I have to admit that the way those troops are arranged does not look normal - if there are 6 Spearmen in one square they don't appear as they do in the screenshot without some kind of alteration.

If true, this would explain why Vox is so upset about the talk of invasions going on the main forum

[mrmitchell]

It's not if true

It is true

They are using one of the multi-character graphic mods

I think there is a recent news about it them in CFC

[History Guy]

They don't appear to be six to me. I've seen these mysterious visions of many soldiers emerging from one...it is called a mirage. In Arabia, they were quite frequent, and were so life-like as to be believed by many...

However, what I do find interesting is the fact that the Voxians never answered us. Perhaps they were hiding something after all, eh?

Fernand de History Guy Calamari
Squid Baron

[Togas]

Vox has built a city on our continent.

I have sent the following message to Ghengis Farb & Darekill

We discovered this new Vox city when we opened up the save ... as I'm sure each of you did. It was my understanding from our chat with Vox yesterday that they were going to only "take a look" around and then leave. They founded this city despite our warnings and our pleas to vacate. This is a clear invocation of our Pact.

Please let me know what Spain can do to help remove this city from our continent.

We need to discuss how we should get involved in this affair. Frankly, I believe that GoW & ND having someone else to fight who will FIGHT BACK is an excellent position for us to be in. GoW & ND both lose units and production and will cease REX for a time. We will maintain our current level of preparedness and continue to REX, perhaps volunteering a few warrior-scouts to the war effor to act as observers for our allies.

Vox will likely be removed. No nation will gain from this war save Spain, who will have gained time and distance on our neighbors.

--Togas

[Thrumble]

First, I don't trust ND or Gow, but I never have seen any mention by the other teams that Vox landed 6 Spearmen. That image is using the multifigure mod from CFC which I also use. All foot units are represented by 6 figures and all mounted units are represented by 3 figures. I seriously doubt that they were trying to trick us with that image as they have the talent to do a much better job as shown with the "one island start" thread.

[19:36] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> They are unprepared because NO ONE CAN GET THERE ANYTIME SOON>
[19:36] [BetaHound> Except us.
[19:37] [GhengisFarb[GoW]> What's Roleplay doing in here?

"No one can get there anytime soon (GoW)" This can apply to GS, Lego, or us.

"Except us. (Vox)" This can only apply to GS. Vox is not closer to us than ND or GoW. And they aren't anywhere near Lego.

At least by my assessment of the data. It might be possible that Vox has found a short cut to Lego, but if this was true why were they the last ones to get contact with them?

I think Vox and GoW have an alliance against GS, which brings up the question of whether the entire "invasion" was staged.

[pikesfan]

Originally posted by Togas
No nation will gain from this war save Spain, who will have gained time and distance on our neighbors.

We won’t gain either unless we take advantage of this and found more cities