ND Border proposal!!!

[astrologix]

Re: A plan to deal with possible ND settler

Originally posted by ruby_maser
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If this were true, they are only six turns away from their specified location in their proposal, seven away from actually founding the city.

Now, who precedes who in turns for the save? If they we precede them, we can have the jump on them in that they will enter our line of sight when it is still our turn to move.

We could conceivably attempt to cut them off/delay them with the spearman from Saragossa, reinforce Sargossa with the spear that will be escorting the settlers from Pamplona, and have the spearman and settler rendevous at the new city site.

Needless to say, it would be close. Any thoughts?

Since Neu Theben is currently (1870 BC) size 4, that could probably mean that they haven't produced a settler yet, but maybe at the next turn. In this case we'll found our silk city just on their noses.

[LzPrst]

Since Neu Theben is currently (1870 BC) size 4, that could probably mean that they haven't produced a settler yet, but maybe at the next turn. In this case we'll found our silk city just on their noses.

Still we should move the saragossa spearman out just in case. We dont know what they might have, but they shall not take our land!

[pikesfan]

Founding a city on the silk would be very bad diplomacy. ND will think, why negotiate with someone who is going to do what they want anyway under our noses? And quite rightly too.

I hope they take the bait of the eastern lands, though.

If worse comes to worst we ought to give up the silk because we already have one by Barcelona and even if ND takes all the silk we won’t need it. We have other supplies of other luxuries to trade. We should not get a reputation for greediness.

Why don’t we offer Most Favoured Silk Trade Nation status to ND?

[OliverFA]

The problem with their border proposal señor Pikesfan is that the left side is not well defined. It goes in the dark, but until where?

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by pikesfan

If worse comes to worst we ought to give up the silk because we already have one by Barcelona and even if ND takes all the silk we won?t need it. We have other supplies of other luxuries to trade. We should not get a reputation for greediness.

Why don?t we offer Most Favoured Silk Trade Nation status to ND?

The issue is not so much the silk than the defence of our home land. A ND city on the silk would be a permanent threat of invasion. It would be a gate opened on the Cows valley. Much more than our reputation is at stake. And regarding the negociations, we never proposed to discuss of their settling south of the jungle.

[LzPrst]

I must again stress that we cannot accept ANY other nations south of the jungle! No matter how friendly at this moment in time.
We cannot know that ND is truly friendly, or that they will remain friendly in times to come.
Would we accept that GoW placed a city there if they had started where ND is? Hell No! And since we cannot really trust any nation we must take that land for ourselves. It is vital that we have a natural defensive line. Simply tell ND that such a deal is impossible.

If they wont accept the Sierra shinies valley and be satisfied with that then they should declare war, cause I will never accept those filthy dogs in our god-given land.

[Thud]

That gives me an idea. Why not say that a settlement south of the jungle would always be a tempting target for us? Discourage them from making us an enemy?

[Togas]

I agree that they should recognise the temptation and danger of settling right beside us, but from their side of things, the greed of snatching both of those high lux areas is too hard to ignore. They also proposed the "trade road" in their plan, which was a poor idea. It could be used as a highway for bringing in troops to take the rest of the valley in the future.

However, all their "high hopes" aside, they face a very real threat of war in the north. That must surely overshadow any of their other idealistic plans for settlement. And while I'm sure they want to settle these lux-rich areas, they surely want to snatch up key spots in the north before their enemies take them. That would be my highest priority if I were them.

--Togas

[astrologix]

I quote my post from the 1830BC thread :

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I'm afraid that ND is lying to us. They are currently stronger than us and consequently than Lux and have no reason to fear them. IMO, they could settle east (Brilliants Valley) without threat from Lux. They are trying to find arguments to justify their demand for settle in our lands...

On another hand, I don't think they have already a settler on the jungle near us to found the silk city : Neu Thebes has still 4 pop, and we can doubt that they have send a settler from another city for this purpose.

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[OliverFA]

I Completely agree with señor Astronicus. Knowing that ND is much stronger than Lux makes their claims a nonsense. They "give" the East lands to Lux so we cannot argue about them and they even want more lands. And it's not only the number of tiles. It's the silk, the gems, the road to attack us much more easily (otherwise they would have to cross the jungle which would be really bad for their 3 movement UU) and our access to the iron.

Also during the meeting they stayed lots of time wothout saying anything. They were no doubt chatting privately meanwhile.