Diplomacy: Reports, Instructions, PMs

[CiverDan]

Yeah..ND is trying to say how they are angry with Gow, yet they are giving them iron? Something is fishy.

[Togas]

adaMada -- Offer GoW Monarchy for 200g. We will accept 10gpt IF they agree to a Non-agg pact for 30 turns.

Try to get the Non-Agg anyhow, and tell them we'd like to chat with them about OUR future now that the middle ages is here.

--Togas

[Togas]

received via PM:

Trading Feudalism
Honorable Togas of RolePlay.

The Gathering Storm's wisemen are currently on a new and advanced technology that would change the warfare is carried out- This technology "Feudalism" will also be for sale to those who wish to purchase it.

We would like to negotiate a price for the tech, so that we both enjoy the benefits of the trade when the tech has been discovered.

If you're interested in acquiring the tech from us, please let me know.

Kind Regards
Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

Ninot -- If you're still out there, contact GS and find out when we this technology will be ready and what price they are charging.

Mr WIA & adaMada -- Find out from your nations if they are also researching Feudalism, let them know that GS is trying to sell it, and find out what THEIR price would be .... we want to get a bidding war started.

--Togas

[GodKing]

Togas - If necessary I may be of some limited assistance. My schedule is so variable on a day by day basis I cannot commit to any one specific time, but on a project basis I can most certianly help out.

[MrWhereItsAt]

PM back from Darekill of ND...

(sic)
We are still concerned about GoW and there are certain tensions in our realtions that is true but the trade with the iron has been fixed while Vox was landing troops and though we feel that this could have been a trick we stand to our word. That is why they got iron we did get something too and that is the reason why we have realy little intrest in you gacious offer. We have researched currency and got construction and the republic elsewher.
The only tech that you can offer is monarchy and it is as i already mentioned of little interest for us.

We will keep the contact and i will inform you about our nest researchgoal so we can go sure not to run for the same.

your friend Darekill

So it certainly sounds like a plausible reason, and I'm sure we can understand not wanting to break an agreement once it's started. However, we could try and put pressure on them not to renew their agreement. What do you think?

If I don't hear from him soon about the research goal I will prompt about Feudalism.

[Togas]

GK It seems that both Ninot and adaMada are not very active. You have contacted GoW before and I could use your help with them again.

We need to seriously talk with GoW about the following things:

Monarchy
Their deal with ND (what it costs them, can we get them a better deal for iron, what their plans are for future relations)
Non-Agg pact
Possible defensive alliance vs ND.
Feudalism (price?)
And feel free to start doing some joint schemeing ... unofficially of course

--Togas

[Togas]

The following was received from Legoland:

El tratado de defensa Hispano - Legolandico / Legoland - Spain Mutual Protection Treaty

Article I
Defenition of the territory

The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Saragossa (as of Turn 84).

The territory of Legoland is defined as all land on Legos Major & Legos Minor, that is all land reachable by foot units using no vessels from Legopolis, the capital city of Legoland (as of Turn 84).

Article II
Redefinition of the territory

Either party may propose to redefine their national territory and the change shall be effective upon the agreement of the other party.

The definition of the territory of both parties may be changed if:

New territories will be found, under the condition that these new territories are fully explored and unsettled by any other nation;

New settlements, that are outside of the land defined in Article I, are founded;

New territory, that is outside of the land defined in Article I, is accuired in any way;

Territory, that is part of the land defined in Article I, is lost in any way.


Article III
Causes that activate the alliance

If another nation settles on the land that is defined in Article I, while the party that claims this land has informed an official of the settling nation, that they claim those lands, both the offended party and the other party in the treaty will declare war on the settling nation, if the party that claims these land requests this, unless the alliance can persuade the settling nation from either evacuating or handing the settlement over to the alliance member whose territory is occupied, or retreat in any other way.

If any violation of the territorial integrity of the territory of either party, as defined in Article I, is being conducted, both parties will declare war on the atacking nation, if the attacked party requests this.

Article IV
Non-settlement & Non-agression ageement

Neither party shall settle in the territoriy that the other party has claimed to be his as stated in Article I. Also neither party shall declae war on the other.

Article V
Duration of the Treaty

The Treaty shall have a lenth of 20 turns. It shall be effective from 900 BC (turn nr. 84) and expire in 270 BC(on turn nr. 114).

The Treaty can after this period be extended for an amount of turns that is about to be defined by the parties.

The Treaty can only be extended upon the agreement of the both parties.

Article VI
Lapse of the Treaty

This Treaty will immediately lapse if one of the parties does not adhere to the terms in this Treaty.

Article VII
Alterations on the Treaty

Any statement in the Treaty can be altered, save for the Duration of the Treaty, as stated in Article V, the way of aid that the parties have agreed to provide in case the alliance is being activated, as stated in Article III and the lapse of the Treaty as stated in Article VI, upon the agreement of the both parties.

Article VIII
Settlement of any war

Since both parties will declare war at the exact same time on any invading party, both parties will commit themselves to end the war at the same time. No separate peace treaties shall be made.

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This is not aproved yet we will wait to see if you make any changes then will vote on it. The changed stuff is bolded.

Articles VI & VII need work. I don't like VII at all and VI seems to make it very easy to just walk out of this treaty. We need to kill VII and reword VI to make it stronger. Thud & Aidun, please review and propose your suggested changes and also draft a better version of VI that makes any noncompliance a VIOLATION of this treaty, causing that nation to be in breach, voiding the other party's responsibility and also giving some sort of penalty to the offending nation.

--Togas

[Togas]

Sent to Zeit of Gathering Storm:

Zeit,

It appears that Ninot (who I had assigned as ambassador) isn't active so I am responding to your trade request.

My nation is interested in this new technology and we are considering buying it from you. We are aware of other nations who are also researching this, and we need to know a general time frame of when you could make this knowledge available to us, and what the cost would be.

Please let us know.

[GodKing]

Just got your note above - I will contact GS this evening.

[astrologix]

Togas, I am a bit worried about that :

The territory of Spain is defined as all land inside Spain's cultural borders and all lands on the continent named Bob south of the Spanish city of Saragossa (as of Turn 84).

Does it mean that if we settle near the lake in the Brilliants Valley, that land will not be considered by Lego as a part of our territory ? If ND declares war after such a settlement, Lego will not assist us ?

[Togas]

"All land inside Spain's Cultural borders" AND all lands on the southern end of Bob.

We're fine. If a city gets attacked, we're covered.

--Togas

[CiverDan]

Not that Lego would be of much assistance given their location, but the treaty is meant to discourage others from settling our lands as apposed to giving us much help if we are attacked by ND. As far as punishment for violating the treaty, there is no "UN", how would this be enforced?

[Togas]

new from Zeit of Gathering Storm:

Togas,

Our current ETA of Feudalism is 8 turns- this could possibly change, but will probably not go beyond 10 turns, which is still some time before anyone else has this tech, according to our sources.

Our price tag for all those interested is 200 gold (less than 30% beaker cost) or 12gpt over 20 turns. This trade will include a 7-turn non disclosure agreement, under which you are bound not to trade the tech to anyone else.

However, if you have a tech that the GS might be interested in (Engineering, maybe?) that you would like to trade, a tech-exchange, along with gold to offset the beaker cost differences could be arranged.

Let me know if you're interested in the exchange.

Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

[Togas]

To all ambassadors: (GK included for GoW) we need to know who else is selling Feudalism and then tell them what GS's price is. We need to get a bidding war started over this tech and buy it at the lowest possible price.

If your nation is selling it, tell them the price and ask them if they will offer it at a lower price.

--Togas

[Nuclear Winter]

Message sent to Jon Miller:

Hola Señor Jon, I am Nuclearis Winterius the III ambassdor of the Roleplay team to the Vox Controlli team.
I am contacting you instead of Señor Betahound because you are the one online right now. Please convey this message to him if you don´t have the time available to answer it.
I am sending this message because Spain has heard a rumour of a nation having discovered the secrets of a tech called feudalism. We were very interested, and my most honored Lord, Togas, has ordered me to go look out for it. I am thus asking if your nation knows this secret, so we would like to comunicate the price that has been offered to us by it. We would pay the given team 12gpt or 200 golds in exchange for it. If your team has this technology available, and can offer it at a better price, we would like to know.

Best wishes,
Nuclearis Winterius the III,
proud ambassdor of Roleplay´s Spania to Persian Vox Controlli