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  • #16
    I am currently doing an EXHAUSTIVE analysis of what the difference between each option would be over a 30-turn period in terms of building military units and settlers.

    So far, temple looks like the best option because you essentially get 2 regular spearmen for every 1 veteran spearman I could produce under the barracks plan. The reasons why are:

    1. That 10 shield additional cost (quite minor)
    2. Far more importantly, I can fluctuate the city size between 3 and 5 or 4 and 6 with a temple, but I have to do it between 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 at best with a barracks - the difference in production is rather substantial and builds over time (pun intended).

    The option I'm currently checking out is granary, worker, temple, then settler+spearmen combos.... it has the possibility of being rather effective, but there's a delay built in, of course. It means delaying 1.5 cities immediately in return for making up for them BIG TIME over the following 50-60 turns. Considering that we have 15 city sites left to cover, this may not be such a bad idea... only problem would be if we think a substantial number of those city sites are in jeopardy if we don't cover one more than we otherwise would in the next 15 turns or so.

    I'm still doing the detailed analysis... I'll post the results when it's done.

    As for the barracks, it's a crappy option REX-wise. From what little I've seen so far, here's what I can tell you:

    Length of Cycle for Building Spearman+Settler under each plan:
    Barracks Plan - 11 turns
    Temple Plan - 8 turns (generally 8 turns, but you have to throw in a 9-turn cycle occassionally to make up for food loss in an 8-turn cycle)
    Granary Plan: takes longer to warm up (first cycle is 10 turns), but levels out to 8 turns.

    The Granary+Temple plan, however.... now that I'm still working on, but it means A LOT more trade over time. It's warm-up time is longer for obvious reasons, but it may be worth it... still working on that.
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    • #17
      Does all this means that the Rexing like mad period is over ?

      God news then
      Statistical anomaly.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by DAVOUT
        Does all this means that the Rexing like mad period is over ?

        God news then
        Is it good news? I don't think Pamplona can handle it alone. Barcelona doesn't have the resources to contribute at this point.
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        • #19
          We need to connect our (almost) 4 cities; it is the best defence. Adding cities and connecting them will be easier when the core is connected. Some horsemen will protect easily cities connected. It is all what I mean.
          Statistical anomaly.
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          • #20
            This is one of the many reasons I'm in favour of the Temple - we get another worker faster. I think we should also build a worker in Pamplona to triple our workforce.

            The new Madrid worker can improve a tile near Madrid and then road to Barcelona. The new Pamplona worker should road to Madrid. And the current worker should road to the next city site in Cow Valley.

            Togas - as much as my family would LOVE a barracks, as your Most Trusted Advisor, I have to recommend what I think is best for Spain, long-term.

            Why are there only 12 votes? We have a team membership of 28! We will be a tyranny for awhile (depotism, monarchy), so we had better enjoy every opportunity to voice our opinions! Vote!

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            • #21
              *Torquemada thinking : I should have a look at all those citizens never voting to express their sincere agreement with the Despot .*
              Statistical anomaly.
              The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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              • #22
                Everyone, please go read THIS THREAD I just posted about this issue.

                Thank You
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dejon
                  This is one of the many reasons I'm in favour of the Temple - we get another worker faster. I think we should also build a worker in Pamplona to triple our workforce.
                  I would also prefer to build another worker soon in both cities. Lord Togas has decreed that Pamplona will stay in REX for the time being though.

                  However, FYI, it would be possible to get a worker in 1990 BC. That is only four turns after the settlers are produced. I need to run a scenario to see the affects on growth, but just to look at it, I think the city would be growing to size 3 on that same turn. Therefore, it would not put so low as to have to start again from scratch with REX.
                  "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ruby_maser


                    I would also prefer to build another worker soon in both cities. Lord Togas has decreed that Pamplona will stay in REX for the time being though.
                    Workers are critical to our expansion plans and should be slipped into REX plans as allowable.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Togas


                      Workers are critical to our expansion plans ...

                      --Togas
                      ... as well as to our defence plans.
                      Statistical anomaly.
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                      • #26
                        I have not voted as I am not yet convinced of our best options.
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